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| 06:03 | Bertl | morning folks!
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| 11:46 | ItsMeLenny | what would people say is the best and cheapest prosumer camera around?
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| 11:46 | ItsMeLenny | or which brand is better to go with
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| 11:47 | Bertl | so two questions?
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| 11:49 | RexOrCine[m] | Pound for pound probably a GH4 at the moment. Used you can pick them up for about 800.
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| 11:54 | ItsMeLenny | Bertl, kind of like choose your own question :P
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| 11:54 | ItsMeLenny | RexOrCine[m], i was thinking panasonic, simply for the leica lenses
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| 11:54 | ItsMeLenny | oh right GH4 is a DSLR
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| 11:54 | Bertl | well, I guess the cheapest one is unlikely to be the best
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| 11:54 | ItsMeLenny | i mean an actual video camera
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| 11:55 | ItsMeLenny | Bertl, of course, but i mean a high end camera that is cheap
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| 11:55 | ItsMeLenny | not interested in DSLRs tho
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| 11:55 | Bertl | like the AXIOM?
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| 11:56 | ItsMeLenny | in a sense, which i would like, but its out of my price range at the moment
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| 11:56 | Bertl | so not so high end then?
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| 11:56 | ItsMeLenny | im hoping for something thats cheaper so i can make #1 awseom vidz 9000 so i can make the sheks to pay for an axiom
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| 11:57 | ItsMeLenny | i mean more prosumer video camera, kind of this kind of thing http://epfilms.tv/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Canon_XF100.jpg
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| 11:57 | Bertl | isn't that a cam corder?
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| 11:58 | ItsMeLenny | guess it depends where you live? :P
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| 11:58 | RexOrCine[m] | Yeah, GH4.
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| 11:58 | ItsMeLenny | i have a 550D but the fullHD video in it is actually upscaled from a smaller resolution, and whilst magiclantern is making great strides in the crop HD compressed raw video, its not trickled down to the 550D yet, and i havent attemped porting any code
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| 11:59 | ItsMeLenny | a GH4 as for as i can see is a DSLR, i dont get any other results when i google it
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| 12:01 | RexOrCine[m] | You said "awseom vidz 9000" ... if someone can't make awseom vidz 9000 with a GH4, then, I dunno.
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| 12:02 | BAndiT1983 | GH4 is a DSLR, but it's advertised also as camcorder with 60fps for fullhd
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| 12:02 | BAndiT1983 | with 4:2:2 10bit
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| 12:03 | ItsMeLenny | yeah, dslrs arnt very nice to hold for video
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| 12:04 | ItsMeLenny | plus i dont particularly trust the autofocus in them
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| 12:04 | ItsMeLenny | and its not at all particularly cheap
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| 12:05 | ItsMeLenny | i guess its advertised as a camcorder cos its micro four thirds
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| 12:06 | BAndiT1983 | also because of 4k with high bitrate
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| 12:07 | BAndiT1983 | and wow, this thing is fast with 12 with AF or 40 without AF photos per second
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| 12:07 | BAndiT1983 | still, my eos760d is sufficient for my needs
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| 12:12 | RexOrCine[m] | See, I prefer locked off as a style. Joanna Hogg is my favourite...
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| 12:12 | RexOrCine[m] | You could go around in circles forever with this stuff, but in terms of one brand against another brand all existing brands are interested in the same thing - locking you in. It's all about the story and the mind. Money-wise I think you get the most from it.
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| 12:16 | BAndiT1983 | so, Rex, you are eastenders fan? ;)
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| 12:16 | BAndiT1983 | just looked up in wiki who she is
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| 12:23 | RexOrCine[m] | Nah. Interesting isn't it. How someone so good could have crawled out from something so bad.
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| 12:23 | BAndiT1983 | what is she famous for?
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| 12:24 | BAndiT1983 | ah, imdb tells it right away -> "Prefers to roll cameras for as long as the tape lasts, while the cast play out improvised iterations of the scene. "
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| 12:25 | RexOrCine[m] | She isn't really famous I don't think, but it's her most recent films that are the gems.
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| 12:27 | RexOrCine[m] | It's a matter of taste/preference I guess.
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| 12:30 | BAndiT1983 | there are a lot of films which are not shown in the mainstream cinemas but rather in small independent ones, french and british movies are really interesting, different humour or drama approaches
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| 12:32 | RexOrCine[m] | Utopia
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| 12:32 | RexOrCine[m] | http://imdb.com/rg/an_share/title/title/tt2384811/
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| 12:32 | RexOrCine[m] | Utopia on right now.
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| 12:36 | BAndiT1983 | watched the trailer, cannot tell what it is, but it has the british style which is typical
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| 12:37 | RexOrCine[m] | Which one Utopia?
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| 12:37 | BAndiT1983 | yes, utopia
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| 12:39 | BAndiT1983 | explosion scene is composed i suppose, as the guy couldn't go away in such a calm way and the explosion occuring right behind him, the wave would throw him several metres across the landscape
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| 12:40 | BAndiT1983 | i mean this one -> https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/explosionforparagraphone.jpg
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| 12:41 | RexOrCine[m] | Hard to describe. A drama I suppose. Pretty swish though. I like Paolo Sorrentino a lot, some of Utopia looks like something he might do. Good story, worth having.
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| 12:43 | BAndiT1983 | will look for the blu-ray version, usa wanted to remake it (as always, seems like a lack of ideas) but budget problems were the reason to stop it
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| 12:46 | BAndiT1983 | remakes of french comedies were just bland, and of spanish horror movies also
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| 12:46 | RexOrCine[m] | Aye it would have been terrible no doubt. That's been tried with dozens of things over the past decade. It's almost like execs over there can't bare seeing something decent come from another part of Earth.
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| 12:46 | niculescu_vlad | Hi! I went to sleep quite early last evening, that is why I didn't answer.
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| 12:47 | niculescu_vlad | I talked to my friend and he has the setup at office. I will take a photo tomorrow or Tuesday
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| 12:47 | RexOrCine[m] | Or perhaps its about how insular or self absorbed the States marketplace is.
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| 12:48 | RexOrCine[m] | niculescu_vlad: Good stuff.
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| 12:48 | BAndiT1983 | hollywood got rather boring
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| 12:48 | BAndiT1983 | about peltier: how is condesaton avoided?
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| 12:50 | niculescu_vlad | Do not expect at something too "professional". The camera board has a free zone behind the sensor (a small one) where we put a piece of copper. That small piece is bonded by another bigger piece of copper that is attached to the Peltier.
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| 12:50 | niculescu_vlad | And this is because the camera sensor has a BGA package :(
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| 12:51 | BAndiT1983 | what would fit better?
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| 12:51 | niculescu_vlad | so it is impossible to attach the copper direct under the sensor
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| 12:51 | niculescu_vlad | maybe a TQFP style package would have been better
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| 12:51 | niculescu_vlad | it does not have pads under the part
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| 12:51 | Bertl | also tricky to attach to the sensor though
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| 12:52 | niculescu_vlad | so a metal piece would fit
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| 12:52 | Bertl | (without ripping the pads off, I mean)
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| 12:52 | niculescu_vlad | indeed. But a small hole can be done by factory
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| 12:52 | Bertl | yeah, but for proper heat transfer, you need some pressure
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| 12:52 | niculescu_vlad | However, a cooling through PCB can be enough to cool the local area
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| 12:53 | Bertl | and TQFP is not the way to go, although easier to do than with a BGA :)
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| 12:53 | BAndiT1983 | are there any TWFP packaged sensors out there in that performance range?
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| 12:53 | BAndiT1983 | *TQFP
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| 12:53 | niculescu_vlad | But I don't know how to do a direct contact
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| 12:55 | BAndiT1983 | some are sceptical about cooling at all -> http://photo.stackexchange.com/questions/24531/why-arent-there-any-cooled-ccd-sensors-to-reduce-noise
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| 12:55 | niculescu_vlad | I don't know about the performance
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| 12:55 | niculescu_vlad | I didn't investigated this
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| 12:56 | BAndiT1983 | was just looking for typical things in cooling of image sensors, but there is not much besides theory
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| 12:56 | BAndiT1983 | ouch -> https://petapixel.com/2016/10/11/cooled-nikon-d5500a-chills-sensor-clearer-star-photos/
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| 12:56 | niculescu_vlad | Yes, maybe it is quite expensive and difficult to integrate such a mechanism in a product
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| 12:57 | niculescu_vlad | Wow, that guy implemented a "small refrigerator"
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| 12:58 | BAndiT1983 | maybe you need nitrogen cooling ;)
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| 12:58 | BAndiT1983 | liquid nitrogen
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| 12:58 | niculescu_vlad | Yes. For hobby staff, I will limit to the peltier
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| 12:59 | niculescu_vlad | It's interesting to enhance the quality of a DSLR by cooling it. I also have a telescope adapter for my D3100 Nikon. Also, never tried to cool it and check the performance difference
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| 21:37 | Bertl_oO | off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
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