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09:17 | Bertl_oO | off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
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15:25 | Bertl | morning folks!
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16:00 | pranabendra | Hello, I am Pranabendra Prasad Chandra from India, studying Electrical Engineering in 4th year. I have experience in working with 8051 and AVR (Arduino boards) microcontrollers. I am interested to apply for T1126 - AXIOM Remote: Firmware improvement and extension
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16:01 | pranabendra | I am working on the qualification task T1162, and have a doubt - The icon image being 1-bit depth, is it necessary to store it in an 8-bit array? Or can we use STL and store it in bitset?
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16:02 | Bertl | hello preetimenghwani[!
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16:02 | Bertl | you do not 'have a doubt', you 'have a question' :)
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16:03 | Bertl | and BAndiT1983|away will try to answer that one once he gets back ...
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16:18 | pranabendra | Thank you
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16:34 | BAndiT1983 | hi pranabendra, the goal is to reduce the flash memory usage as we don't need to have full colour icons, could you create a comparison between array and STL?
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16:34 | BAndiT1983 | don't forget that the task is meant for a pic32, so the things have to be slim and fast
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16:37 | Bertl | bonus points when you get everything (code and data) to be smaller than the raw data? :)
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16:40 | se6ast1an | meeting in 20 minutes
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17:00 | se6ast1an | meeting time!
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17:01 | se6ast1an | hi Fabian9!
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17:01 | se6ast1an | who is here?
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17:01 | Fabian9 | Hi!
| 17:01 | Bertl | is here ...
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17:01 | BAndiT1983 | am here
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17:02 | se6ast1an | great, maxime promised to attend today as well
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17:02 | se6ast1an | so he should turn up soon
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17:02 | Bertl | yay!
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17:03 | max_bxl | hello everyone!
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17:03 | se6ast1an | hello!
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17:03 | BAndiT1983 | hi
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17:03 | Bertl | there he is!
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17:03 | se6ast1an | good timing
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17:04 | se6ast1an | since you have to leave again maxime, do you want to start?
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17:04 | se6ast1an | by 18:30 iirc?
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17:04 | max_bxl | as I said to sebastian, I'll be there until ~6:30pm
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17:04 | max_bxl | yep
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17:04 | se6ast1an | great, please start
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17:04 | max_bxl | so, we resume the AXIOM clubs with Bertrand
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17:04 | max_bxl | (and a new guy, Adrien, who come from the same cinema school)
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17:05 | max_bxl | and, as we discussed with Sebastian in feb, we are going to use the Beta for time-lapse recordings and stop-motion animation movie shooting
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17:06 | max_bxl | Bertrand already took his camera to the fine art academy where he teaches video
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17:06 | max_bxl | and, with the help of a little script we crote during previous AXIOM Club, the students manage to make 92 frames of a simple animation shot!
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17:07 | max_bxl | here the result : https://cloud.diaphragme.be/s/gAiKeHRmdMBCiwA [Ambr0s!@]
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17:07 | max_bxl | !
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17:07 | max_bxl | as you can see, the folder is called Ambrosia, the idea being that we try to ignite this idea of Sebastian !
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17:07 | BAndiT1983 | nice and some hands are there too ;)
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17:08 | max_bxl | to be noticed : his students are total newbees in the art of stop motion !
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17:09 | max_bxl | (and I intend to do the same with my own students, which are studying stop motion at La Cambre, a fine art school for future art professionnals!)
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17:09 | Bertl | very nice!
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17:10 | max_bxl | so, the script was converting the raw12 in PNG images (for the ease of a studentproof postproduction workflow on KDENlive)
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17:10 | Bertl | what 'features' do you think would be great to have for this kind of art (i.e. stop motion)
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17:10 | max_bxl | and we had issues with the color because we were using the line in the wiki using IM convert
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17:11 | se6ast1an | reference: https://lab.apertus.org/T1164
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17:11 | max_bxl | thx!
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17:12 | max_bxl | it worked for the scope of his workshop, but we are now looking into another workflow to get accurate color in PNG or something else
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17:12 | se6ast1an | how far did you get with ufraw/dcraw?
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17:12 | max_bxl | (he's trying to use only FLOSS, so the ability of Davinci Resolve to read DNG image sequence is not an option for him, but will probably be for me)
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17:13 | Bertl | btw, adding -define sample:offset=0 should make it work again
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17:13 | max_bxl | in the Ambriosa folder, you can also look at a sample that I debayered with dcraw
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17:13 | max_bxl | (the image00044.TIFF, and/or the jpg I converted from that)
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17:14 | se6ast1an | I dont see any tiff in the folders
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17:14 | max_bxl | it's command line and super efficient, but hard to master since dcraw doesn't do color temperature/tint based correction, but something else
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17:14 | max_bxl | let find the man page
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17:15 | max_bxl | -r mul0 mul1 mul2 mul3 Specify your own raw white balance. These multipliers can be cut and pasted from the output of dcraw -v.
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17:15 | se6ast1an | in ufraw you can manually develop one raw file and then save the preset to process more raw files from the commandline IIRC
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17:15 | max_bxl | will investigate it !
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17:16 | max_bxl | I just dig into dcraw because I read online it was the quickest FLOSS raw debayerer
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17:16 | se6ast1an | well if you wait 0.5 or 0.7 seconds is probably not a big deal :)
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17:17 | max_bxl | there's also a way to do it GUI with darktable
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17:17 | max_bxl | which considerably easier, but take more time to batch process (yet)
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17:17 | max_bxl | anyway
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17:18 | max_bxl | I was wondering who worked on color calibration so far, in order to get in touch with him/her to go further without re-inventing the wheel!
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17:18 | se6ast1an | alexML: you here?
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17:18 | se6ast1an | intracube: ?
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17:18 | max_bxl | and also I might come and ask soon what raw2dng do (more specifically how it do it !)
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17:19 | max_bxl | that's for me !
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17:19 | se6ast1an | great progress, many thanks!
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17:19 | max_bxl | we are going to re-do AXIOM club every two weeks or so, and invite Oscar asap!
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17:19 | se6ast1an | perfect
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17:19 | se6ast1an | any news on the promo material printing front yet?
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17:21 | max_bxl | nope, unfortunately, we're nowhere on this front
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17:21 | se6ast1an | btw max started this tutorial a long time ago, maybe that would be a good way to document all the things around capturing and processing still images with the beta: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-kFjebwvUg3e8jLKwXSemBWsNIL6_P-NPFUXbv7-jmk/edit#heading=h.p0drc1axbzga
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17:22 | se6ast1an | in the future
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17:22 | se6ast1an | right, anything else to add maxime?
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17:23 | se6ast1an | otherwise we are right on time for you to leave by 6.30
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17:23 | max_bxl | will do
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17:23 | se6ast1an | BAndiT1983: any news to report?
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17:23 | max_bxl | *read !
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17:23 | BAndiT1983 | yes, a bit
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17:24 | se6ast1an | great, please share
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17:24 | BAndiT1983 | started to straighten out the painter code, as the origin of drawing was moved to top-left, as some questions arose lately, it was done for performance reasons and hardware structure
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17:24 | BAndiT1983 | have posted a diagram of that before, so want repeat myself, it's somewhere in the logs
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17:25 | BAndiT1983 | awaiting challenge code from students, before the evaluation starts, also proposals should trickle in soon
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17:25 | pratyush | bertl: for checksum we will use should i parity word
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17:25 | pratyush | *should i use parity word
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17:25 | BAndiT1983 | bootloader is also not forgotten, but i've to postpone most stuff till i'm fit again, but flashing pic16 is the obvious step
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17:25 | BAndiT1983 | that's it from me
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17:25 | Bertl | pratyush: you might not have noticed, but we are in our weekly meeting
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17:26 | pratyush | oh i am sorry to interrupt
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17:26 | se6ast1an | thanks BAndiT1983
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17:26 | se6ast1an | Bertl: anything you want to share?
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17:26 | Bertl | sure
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17:27 | Bertl | I've spent most of my time on GSoC prepartions in various ways
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17:28 | Bertl | first, we have to get our remote setup (zbox, partial beta, etc) up and running for GSoC in a reliable way
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17:28 | Bertl | then, as there is plenty of interest in 'remote' tasks, we decided to do another round of AXIOM Remote prototypes
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17:29 | Bertl | those are not really a new design, but be enhanced the design to be able to remote control the remote
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17:29 | Bertl | so hopefully we will soon have a remote remote :)
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17:30 | Bertl | this was basically done by adding pads on the PCB to connect to the fully assembled AXIOM Remote as can be seen here:
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17:30 | Bertl | https://644db4de3505c40a0444-327723bce298e3ff5813fb42baeefbaa.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/8bec86edbcde6d5c021249a977852f75.png (pads on on the borders)
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17:30 | Bertl | and by addind a separate PCB to connect those ...
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17:31 | Bertl | https://644db4de3505c40a0444-327723bce298e3ff5813fb42baeefbaa.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/14f6c1cd7544f7783f6c796cabbf7fdd.png
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17:31 | Bertl | which then goes to an AXIOM Beta shield to remote control the buttons and dials:
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17:31 | Bertl | https://644db4de3505c40a0444-327723bce298e3ff5813fb42baeefbaa.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/1ff5e963a8839691c0ddb598e35687d9.png
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17:31 | max_bxl | ok gotta go, sorry!
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17:32 | Bertl | have fun! cya!
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17:32 | max_bxl | thx everyone!
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17:32 | se6ast1an | bye maxime
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17:32 | Bertl | PCBs have been received (last one got in right before the weekend) and the parts are here as well, so assembly will be started pretty soon
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17:33 | Bertl | on the power board side, I did a lot of testing and it's basically good news
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17:34 | Bertl | just to remind you, the design is for two rails with 5V/3A each, for input voltages between 6 and 17V
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17:35 | Bertl | testing without any forced air cooling (i.e. just sitting on the table) gave that we can handle up to 2.2A on each rail
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17:36 | Bertl | but this is not really advised, as the regulators reach temperates above 100 degree celsius easily
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17:36 | Bertl | there is a thermal protection though, so even going over the limit will not make those parts desolder themselves :)
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17:37 | Bertl | with moderate air cooling and/or heat transport via skeleton, we can reach the full 3A per rail
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17:38 | Bertl | note that the current AXIOM Beta power requirements areless than 1.7A per rail even under heavy load/operation
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17:38 | Bertl | so I think we should be good there.
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17:39 | Bertl | Next step here is a fully assembled power board with the changes which I plan to do this week after preliminary testing the received PCBs
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17:39 | Bertl | The rest of the time I spent on testing Betas and reworking boards
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17:40 | Bertl | I think that's it from my side.
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17:40 | se6ast1an | great, thanks!
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17:40 | se6ast1an | vup/anuejn anything from your side?
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17:41 | se6ast1an | fabian any news?
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17:42 | se6ast1an | last week I asked about ways and places to adverize gsoc (universties, mailing lists, etc.) did anyone have any news ideas already?
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17:42 | Fabian | I'm still collecting references, trying to find out about the essentials of some rigs, but basically I'm mentally preparing for a hands on :)
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17:43 | se6ast1an | great, I asked more people about a stereo3d beamsplitter rig in vienna but so far nothing useful
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17:44 | Fabian | Ok, thx! My closest sources for rigs so far would be Munich and Budapest.
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17:44 | intracube | se6ast1an: yep, here for a bit.
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17:46 | se6ast1an | thanks Fabian, anything to add?
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17:46 | Fabian | That's all!
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17:46 | se6ast1an | thanks
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17:46 | se6ast1an | intracube do you want to share a summary of the color calibration you were working on ?
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17:48 | intracube | ok, just a brief overview as I haven't prepared;
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17:49 | intracube | I'm currently exploring methods to adjust and bake colour calibration LUTs
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17:49 | intracube | for now the adjustments are just by eye and using video levels/scopes for greyscale tracking
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17:49 | intracube | hopefully at some point proper measurements can be captured with proper calibration equipment
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17:50 | intracube | the second part is to take the adjustments (currently being made in Fusion/Resolve) and create a LUT + matrix which could be loaded onto the camera
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17:50 | intracube | or
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17:50 | se6ast1an | is the "basic camera matrix" embedded in a DNG ?
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17:50 | intracube | a 3D LUT which could be loaded onto an HDMI recorder
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17:51 | se6ast1an | or could be embedded (not sure we do it currently)?
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17:51 | intracube | I'm not familiar with the DNG format
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17:51 | se6ast1an | ok
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17:52 | se6ast1an | thanks, anything to add?
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17:52 | intracube | I think that's about it for now
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17:53 | se6ast1an | great
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17:53 | se6ast1an | quick update from my side:
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17:53 | se6ast1an | maker faire berlin has been cancelled because of the corona virus
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17:53 | se6ast1an | maker faire vienna is still scheduled
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17:54 | se6ast1an | new Team Talk episode is inbound: T15.3
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17:54 | se6ast1an | video done, reviews pending, article to be created
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17:54 | se6ast1an | https://cloud.apertus.org/index.php/apps/gallery/s/Pg5N59pGNGFcyND
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17:54 | se6ast1an | thats from todays glas filter cutting visit to the glazier
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17:55 | se6ast1an | he used a simple diamond glass cutter / groover?
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17:55 | se6ast1an | his cut was not perfectly straight but the glass didnt shatter
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17:55 | se6ast1an | and he even did it on a soft cloth table surface which is not optimal with such a small glas
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17:55 | se6ast1an | none the less it worked out fine for a test
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17:56 | se6ast1an | and he suggested to consider UV glue fo glueing the filter into the holder (glas on metal)
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17:56 | se6ast1an | will need to investigate, anyone with experience with such a glue?
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17:57 | se6ast1an | there are small updates to the shim layer designs
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17:57 | se6ast1an | https://cloud.apertus.org/index.php/apps/gallery/s/LqkCfTLRJYd9wFB#shim%20design
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17:57 | se6ast1an | see the captions of the images for details
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17:58 | Bertl | isn't that an UV filter?
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17:58 | se6ast1an | you mean we wouldnt be able to cure it? :)
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17:58 | Bertl | yeah
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17:58 | se6ast1an | good point :)
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18:00 | se6ast1an | based on the feedback collected at the equipment cafe, the cinemagear rental place nextdoor I redesigned some Compact Enclosure accessories like top handle and top support rods: not finished yet but here are some wip screenshots
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18:00 | se6ast1an | https://cloud.apertus.org/index.php/apps/gallery/s/jycWfbwpWYAwfJ6
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18:00 | se6ast1an | the idea is to use as much existing stuff as possible like bike handles which typically use a 22.2mm diameter tube
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18:00 | se6ast1an | and the NATO Rail system
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18:01 | BAndiT1983 | sniper scope and laser sight also?
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18:01 | se6ast1an | if you need that why not ;)
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18:01 | se6ast1an | thats it from my side
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18:03 | se6ast1an | anyone else, otherweise meeting would be concluded
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18:10 | se6ast1an | meeting concluded, thanks everyone
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18:10 | Bertl | thanks for having us!
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18:10 | se6ast1an | my pleasure, now I need to run to the supermarket before it closes
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18:11 | Bertl | quick, to the supermarket!
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18:22 | BAndiT1983 | somehow i can't avoid to see the image of seb cave, full of disassembled cameras
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18:25 | Bertl | and tons of stuff from the supermarket of course!
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18:32 | BAndiT1983 | you mean empty wrappings ;)
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18:35 | pranabendra | BAndiT1983: I read about bitset in STL. If there aren't any bit level operations involved (flip, set,reset), using bitset will be inefficient. Also, in a 32-bit processor, it allocates memory in multiples of 4 bytes. So from memory usage point of view, an array of 1 byte data-type will be more efficient in this case
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18:39 | BAndiT1983 | sounds reasonable and like the result i've expected
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18:40 | BAndiT1983 | not everything which is comfortable for development will be efficient, but for image data plain array is the better solution, STL data storages can be also good but this also depends on the compiler and the environment it would be used
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18:40 | BAndiT1983 | *where it would be used
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19:20 | Bertl | pratyush: some kind of CRC is fine, even just summing up the bytes would be okay
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19:20 | Bertl | s/some/any/
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