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| 03:27 | comradekingu | Ive had a go at trying to structure the wiki https://wiki.apertus.org/index.php?title=NewMain_Page
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| 15:56 | troy_s | comradekingu: All of the bits from the onboard UI has Benn shuffled where prior it was in a section
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| 18:07 | Bertl_oO | comradekingu: I guess it was a typo .. benn -> been
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| 18:25 | comradekingu | Bertl_oO: where is it ordered?
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| 18:41 | comradekingu | onboard UI things should be in Design/software
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| 21:17 | _4nd1 | Hi everybody!
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| 21:22 | _4nd1 | comradekingu: I like the structure, I would like to discuss the introduction of namespaces --> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Namespaces
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| 21:26 | comradekingu | _4nd1: well that would be what someone tried to do, however i dont understand the reason for doing it
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| 21:27 | comradekingu | I think one wishlist page, or just the general research way of doing it is better
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| 21:29 | comradekingu | Having everyhing on one page like this means its possible to find something that could previously be missed, which means people dont make duplicate pages
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| 21:32 | _4nd1 | well, at the time being, the reason is not obvious, as we do not have numerous pages. If we all will be very creative - consider a factor 10 - you cannot view the main page on a single screen
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| 21:34 | _4nd1 | the real problem begins, when you want to use the same ( third level ) names in different categories, her for instance we have hardware on the first level - name it e.g. "hardware:"
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| 21:37 | comradekingu | growing to a factor of 10 isnt possible without losing control without some sort of overview, so even if that happens, its a good way to get there
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| 21:38 | _4nd1 | and we find it at the second level "design:hardware". On the main page this is no problem, because the names appear in different positions.
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| 21:39 | comradekingu | its design ↓ hardware right now, the : is how namespaces is signified
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| 21:39 | comradekingu | i dont know about the sections, but something like this seems to be in order
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| 21:43 | comradekingu | Now the resources is less vague https://wiki.apertus.org/index.php?title=NewMain_Page
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| 21:44 | comradekingu | the "learning" category still has a few things i dont know if should be somewhere else
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| 21:54 | _4nd1 | cannot find learning...
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| 21:55 | _4nd1 | just looked at Special pages - https://wiki.apertus.org/index.php?title=Special:SpecialPages
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| 21:57 | comradekingu | _4nd1: learning is Resources ↓learning
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| 21:58 | comradekingu | maybe it should be education to be more descriptive
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| 21:59 | comradekingu | i dont know what the scope of the wiki is, but some of these dont really fit in with the software/hardware design type of pages, and i feel thats a rather important point of the wiki
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| 22:20 | _4nd1 | thanks for the "learning" hint. I usually use sitemap/overview AKA - special pages / all pages - https://wiki.apertus.org/index.php?title=Special:AllPages, use search function for learning. Something different: found name spaces Apertus Wiki & Apertus Wiki Talk, which are both empty
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| 22:22 | _4nd1 | so created a nearly empty page - just for testing purposes - Apertus Wiki:3D Printer - to test if shown in that namespace - bingo!
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| 22:23 | comradekingu | I think if the learning stuff gets too verbose it can be moved over to a new namespace
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| 22:23 | _4nd1 | scope of wiki is also unclear to me. just have in mind a wiki that grew angrew and, after three years of developing software and documenting all the features, it is nearly impossible to find the appropriate documentation
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| 22:25 | _4nd1 | moving to a new namespace: is this feasible with reasonable work? are the links also changed appropriately?
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| 22:27 | comradekingu | well the links break
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| 22:28 | comradekingu | unless you leave redirects behind, but that is just ugly
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| 22:28 | comradekingu | which is all a reason why nested menus fails eventually, moving a page to another menu breaks the link
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| 22:29 | comradekingu | but pagename#headline5 always works, even if its moved within the page
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| 22:30 | comradekingu | anyhow, ive found this method to be the minimal amount of hands on, and the most amount of "getting real things done"
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| 22:31 | comradekingu | Having a system where you can hide ugliness means it gets ingrained, and when it becomes insurmountable, and needs to be battled down, it takes ages
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| 22:33 | comradekingu | lets just keep it like this and see what happens, i dont think there is a need for more learning pages, maybe they could even all be moved to one page
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| 22:34 | comradekingu | What i dont like is the Page Names Capitalize First Word -scheme
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| 22:35 | _4nd1 | you are quite right - you have minimal amount of hands on now, at the price of having a huge effort when you want to reorganize
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| 22:36 | _4nd1 | just have been looking at http://www.mediawiki.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=namespaces and comparing with https://wiki.apertus.org/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=namespaces
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| 22:57 | _4nd1 | cannot find mediawiki documentation on how to change the case="first-letter" entry in the name space entries, wheras extra namespaces could be easyly added by declaring the $wgExtraNamespaces array, and modifying the $wgNamespacesWithSubpages, and $wgNamespacesToBeSearchedDefault arrays according to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:LocalSettings.php#Custom_namespaces
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| 23:20 | _4nd1 | according to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Meta can ony be displayed as "case-sensitive" as alternative - according to setting of $wgCapitalLinks ( global, bad idea ) and $wgCapitalLinkOverrides on a per namespace basis
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| 23:22 | _4nd1 | see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgCapitalLinks ...
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| 23:22 | _4nd1 | bye
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