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2014/10/08

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00:01
__anton__
Display Port somehow manages very high bit rates at least on paper.. and that seems to be based on PCIe as well
00:01
Bertl
how so?
00:02
__anton__
my knowledge is limited to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort :)
00:03
__anton__
yeah, looks like I misunderstood
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Bertl
okay, off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
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Bertl
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troy_s
LOL. Move beyond DCI-P3 seku?
00:55
troy_s
DCI-P3 is a rather large gamut, and 2020 is larger still.
00:55
troy_s
I wish seku were still here.
00:56
troy_s
aombk: Technicolor's picture style is a hack.
00:56
troy_s
aombk: And rather useless when you can do a log-ish via the PLE mode. (Obviously a real log would be more ideal, but ultimately it would be distilling what the sensor can actually see.)
01:01
troy_s
Anyways, for anyone that gives a flying fubar... most of the time you are going to need to operate on the raw "colorspace" of the camera if you are doing manipulation work. (Tad of a misnomer as a camera doesn't really have a colorspace per se)
01:03
troy_s
The transform into absolute colorimetry is generally via a basic 3x3 matrix, or more accurately by a 3D LUT. This is not a huge deal, and there is simply a correct way to do it. The chances are that the sensor's gamut is quite a bit larger than sRGB/709.
01:03
troy_s
(Granted getting to an accurate profile can be much more challenging than it appears.)
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06:54
Bertl
morning folks!
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Bertl
24h left and 129k already!!!
07:05
mars_
active battery mount, here we come!
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Bertl
the "active" part is something we will work on but not necessaryily part of the goal
07:12
nnailer
4k to SSD or something to that effect would be ideal.
07:14
Bertl
go ahead, build something
07:19
surami
hi all
07:20
surami
what kind of output will be on the sensor "driver" board?
07:21
Bertl
hmm?
07:21
surami
i think now, not about HDMI
07:22
surami
i mean what interface... sorry
07:22
Bertl
you mean, what kind of interface the shields will use?
07:23
surami
yes
07:23
Bertl
ah, basically 10/20 LVDS pairs, but you could as well use them with a different electrical setup
07:24
Bertl
they are routed directly from the FPGA to the shield connector (which is a high speed connector)
07:24
Bertl
there will also be some kind of i2c and jtag port on the connectors
07:26
wescotte
What does the "active" mean in an active battery mount?
07:31
surami
Bertl: this out of my knowledge
07:31
surami
+is
07:35
Bertl
wescotte: that it communicates with the battery
07:35
Bertl
we will definitely measure battery voltage and estimate power consumption (based on current draw)
07:36
Bertl
but we do not yet know if we can also access the battery profile and id
07:37
wescotte
What does accessing a battery profile/id get you? just more accurate estimate on remaining power?
07:37
PhilippeJ
wescotte, you can access the memory of the battery and with tihs you can deduce the "real" remaining power in this particular battery
07:38
PhilippeJ
so called intelligent batteries have a chip inside that stores what goes in and what goes out (when using and when charging), and also provide the initial capacity of the battery
07:39
PhilippeJ
with this information, you can deduce if the battery is almost dead, the number of cycles it went trough, and potentially how many minutes recording you still have
07:39
PhilippeJ
BUT : this is all proprietary stuff, so it needs to be reverse engineerd
07:40
PhilippeJ
another "feature" of those batteries is that the manufacturer can put some key on the chip to disallow the use of third party batteries. Officillay for security reasons (the cheap chines copy might explode in your photo camera), unoficially, probably also because it's a good source of profit :-)
07:43
wescotte
Did they already decide on the battery type/manufactoer?
07:43
wescotte
manufacturer...
07:49
Bertl
"they" being us?
07:51
wescotte
Yes
07:51
wescotte
:)
07:51
wescotte
Sorry, it's kinda late here and my brain isn't working so well right now
07:53
Bertl
we picked the most common type here (NP-F970/F750/F550)
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wescotte
Ah okay I've seen those used in several non Sony devices before. Kinda surprised nobody has released the battery profile/id stuff publicly. Is there legal implications for doing so?
07:59
daFred
are the battery mounts to be licensed? any ideas? the same for the lens mounts?
07:59
wescotte
Lots of portable LCDs, camera mounted LED lights, and Sound Devices audio recorders use those I believe.
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wescotte
err wait never mind I think I'm thinking of a different model battery.. XL-B#s...
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Bertl
daFred: I don't think so but we will investigate this of course
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Bertl
off for now ... bbl
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Bertl
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09:02
sb0
hey
09:02
sb0
I'd contribute to your crowdfunding campaign if you switch to a open CPU/SoC instead of the fashionable yet proprietary Zynq.
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09:11
daFred
sb0: what CPU/SoC would you recommend? Your help is welcome...
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09:15
sb0
we've been putting a lot of effort into this: http://m-labs.hk/gateware.html
09:27
intracube_afk
so Arri charge extra for the firmware anamorphic correction function?
09:27
intracube_afk
http://blog.abelcine.com/2011/08/10/alexas-anamorphic-de-squeeze-explained-2/
09:28
intracube_afk
reason #231 why open hw/software is a good thing
09:28
intracube_afk
:)
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tyrone_
hi sb0, a 100% open cpu/soc doesn't exist or i haven't heard of one.... to develop a soc it will cost at least 1 mio $ i would even say 2 to 5 mio $ because a soc is not easy to make
09:36
sb0
pft
09:37
tyrone_
just latly there was a cpu core release that could be used: riscv.org
09:37
sb0
I know
09:37
sb0
and it's 10x larger and 50% slower than what we've been using for years
09:37
sb0
I actually benched it...
09:39
tyrone_
ahh okey, out of my knowledge area....
09:53
intracube_afk
â¬131K
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rudi_slashcam
Viva La Revolution! (German) http://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Editorials/Wird-die-Apertus-Axiom-der-naechste-Gamechanger-.html
09:56
daFred
sb0: I don't know if bertl has heard about Migen but I'm sure he will comment this!
09:57
sb0
I told him about it and I'm actually pretty annoyed you are still using zynq
09:58
sb0
as I understand, you are doing the heavy processing in the fabric not the CPU, so you have no reason to use zynq except fashion
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10:02
daFred
danke Rudi!
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daFred
sb0: as this project is open everybody can bring in ideas. You also can make a design if you are able to do or find anybody who can. If it's a better solution more people will get on it!
10:12
sb0
I have several misoc-based devices already, some used in pretty big applications. my point is that when choosing between an open solution like misoc and a proprietary and vendor-locked solution, with bad software, and which encourages the dominant position of ARM, you chose the latter. and that's unfortunate.
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tyrone_
sb0: who makes your ASIC?
10:27
__anton__
sb0: hi sb0, no pun intended, but is MiSoC really better than Microzed? As far as I can see it is based on Spartan6 isn't that just as proprietary as Zynq 7000?
10:27
daFred
maybe at the moment it is easier to use a board thats on the market for an acceptable price. If there is a solution with your version it could merge into the final (gamma) kamera. Are there comparable misoc-based boards on the market?
10:29
sb0
__anton__, the CPU/SoC HDL is open. and you can run on any FPGA, people have used misoc on xilinx, altera and lattice no problem
10:33
__anton__
sb0: so you are unhappy that Axiom is going to use ARM cores on Zynq, is that your only critique?
10:36
sb0
so far yes. another typical area where hacker/open source projects typically suck is UI/UX/usability, but I don't know much about the Axiom UI and cannot comment.
10:37
__anton__
sb0: so if Apertus team instead synthsised an open source cpu core within PL on Zyn q and used that instead oc ARM cores then you would he entirely happy. Is that right?
10:37
sb0
yes
10:38
__anton__
sb0: I mean entirely happy about hardware choice?
10:39
sb0
well obviously you could replace the zynq chip with e.g. artix or kintex or even some altera device. but that should be easy enough once you have kicked out the arm cores...
10:41
__anton__
sb0: thank you for making your position clear. I am not a project member but from my humble point of view I would be a little more content if there was a completely open source compiler for vhdl - then provided for free but not oped'tn source Vivaldo web pack wouldn't need to be used
10:44
__anton__
sb0: and if your work on Migen will lead to creation of Vivaldo replacement it would make lots of people very happy. Re Axiom the guys are imo taking the most sensible pragmatic yet very open approach. After all we do want the cameras to ship in half a year.
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derWalter
hey guys, are you going to release some more perks, so the 150k can be reached?
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yanez___
hello any staff member here?.
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philippej_
yanez_, don't hesitate to ask :-)
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yanez___
can i send PM here?
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yanez___
ok here my first question: Does the prices â¬1500/19000/2300 include VAT and Duty for Italy?
12:27
yanez___
Second question: Unfortunatly i have just crashed my car. Is possible to do a lower donation and then upgrade forward in order to get the 50% discount?
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yanez___
Third: What about audio? Does the beta have inputs for recording audio? It seems that the camera would emit a bip when it begin to record, so if I could record it in the external audio device and then i could sync the bip in the waveform with the begining of the video clip. A more complicated solution: an jack 3,5 input for microphones as every DSRL, then a jack 3,5 audio output for a throughout signal, but the camera add a bip at
12:28
yanez___
ing video. So two workflow are possible: recording in a cheap device the throughout signal and synch the bip in waveform with beginning and end of clip, or send the audio output to thechannel 2 of a more expansive device, and plug a pro mic in the channel. Then usign the bip in waveform for synching the clips.
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troisdsman
congratulation guys the crowdfunding campain is a real success
12:36
yanez
Any staff member here?
12:36
yanez
I would ask if the prices â¬1500/19000/2300 include VAT and Duty for Italy?
12:37
yanez
.
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__anton__
yanez: i am not on the team but my understanding was the camera is going to be EU made so there should be no duty. Don't know about VAT. In theory we should get the at parts cost and when estimating the parts cost i hope the gyus used prices inclusive of vat.. actually i petsonally hope the prices are an overlycautious estimate and things will work out cheaper :)
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yanez
Unfortunatly i have just crashed my car. Is possible to do a lower donation and then upgrade forward to get the 50% discount? Let's say upgrading up to 350 in two monhts...
13:12
yanez
Who should i contact in order to get confirm of all this? TKS
13:15
yanez
What about audio? If not I would suggest this solution: a 3,5 jacl audio input and a similar audio output for a mic throughout signal. then the camera add two bip, one at beginning and one at the end of video recording. In this way two option are possible: 1. I plug a cheap mic to the camera audio input, and a cheap audio device to the audio output on which i can record all audio recorded by the mic with the two bip embeded.
13:16
yanez
Then i will use the two bip for syncing in the timeline using the waveform. 2. I send the audio output with the bips embeded to one channel of an audio device as the HANDY RECORDER H4n, and i plug a pro mic in the other channel.
13:17
yanez
So i will get an audio clip with the two bips on a track, and audio on the other, and I will sync in the timeline at the same way.
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yanez
Syncing the two bips with the beging and end of corresponding video clip.
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yanez
Ok i will let this window opened, just in case some staff member log here, so I will read an answer. TKS
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giacomoalbe
Hi all!
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giacomoalbe
May I ask you some information about how can I contribute to the Apertus project?
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__anton__
yanez: http://irc.apertus.org - the arcive of this chat - wirks flawlessly. So even if you close the window you will still be able to see later what Sebastian and Herbert replied to your questions
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Bertl_oO
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14:34
Bertl
hey giacomoalbe! yes, go ahead ask, no need to ask for permission
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Bertl
yanez: what amount did you have in mind for now?
14:40
Bertl
regarding the audio thing, we will provide some option for timecodes, so I think you will not need that
14:40
yanez
may be 50⬠now, then other 300 as i get paied next month
14:42
Bertl
I'll see what I can do, if the community doesn't object, then it's fine with us
14:42
yanez
excuse what about VAT?
14:42
giacomoalbe
Well I have to report myself. I'm an Italian student, currently attending th bachelor degree in Electronical and TLC Engeneering.
14:43
giacomoalbe
I've just read the wiki page which contains information about helping the project grow
14:43
Bertl
yanez: the numbers are estimates, you will have to pay everything necessary to basically get the camera assembled and shipped to you (unless you pay us a visit in Austria and take it with you)
14:44
Bertl
there is nothing we charge for the camera, so it will be at cost
14:44
giacomoalbe
and I'm really interested in getting involved in the software/hardware part of the apertus community, by giving my help, time and comepetence to the "cause"
14:44
Bertl
pardon my ignorance, what's TLC Engineering?
14:45
giacomoalbe
well TLC is TeleComunication
14:45
giacomoalbe
I think Communication has 2 m
14:45
giacomoalbe
not only one :)
14:45
Bertl
ah, I see, yeah, there is a lot of work which needs to be done for the Beta ... any experience with FPGAs yet?
14:46
yanez
It's figuring out if there are additional costs to 2300 â¬, because they are at the limit of my budget for the camera body only.
14:47
yanez
I live near Venice!
14:47
yanez
I have some other ideas for the remote control and the battery mount. I think to post them on the forum.
14:48
giacomoalbe
Well I'm attending the third year right now and we'll follow a course in Electronical System Design in a month and, as the course programme says, we will study FPGA scripting
14:49
Bertl
FPGA scripting, that sounds interesting :)
14:49
giacomoalbe
Well I don't know ho to precisely call it, but I think you get the point :)
14:50
Bertl
wow, 135k already ...
14:52
yanez
So you will develop Canon EF mount, remote control and battery mount too. Isn't it?
14:52
Bertl
yanez: I have no idea what taxes will apply in your case, but please check with se6astian when he returns, he probably knows or can figure it out
14:52
Bertl
correct, those three are already covered
14:52
Bertl
on the way to the PC recording solution now
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Bertl
giacomoalbe: okay, did you back the campaign and do you plan to get a Beta or do you "just" want to help?
14:53
Bertl
(both is fine, I'm just asking regarding development)
14:56
giacomoalbe
Well, I just really want to buy the beta but right now my wallet does not allow me to do it :) But I think that the Beta would be one of my must have deal, in particular if I want to work on it. So if I decide to seriusly contribute to the project I'll surely buy one of them
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regmac
135K. great! I have a pile of NP-F batteries :-)
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Even
hellos
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Bertl
regmac: send us some for testing then!
15:00
Bertl
wb Even!
15:01
Even
thx, and congrats to 135k+ :D
15:01
Bertl
giacomoalbe: no need to buy the beta now, but you should consider contributing, it will save you a lot of money later
15:01
regmac
They got pretty cheap on eBay. These are all for Sony TRV-900. Same battery numbers as you list. Where to send? :-)
15:13
sb0
I'm not motivated to write a HDL synthesizer, partly because people don't give a crap about free CPUs already
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giacomoalbe
Yes yes i know, and when i'm saying that I wont buy it know, it means that I cannot even contribuite to the project (financially speaking) in order to save a lot of money later :) I've just put my effort into contributing now but my greatest complain is not being able to buy the 350 ⬠deal that just make me able to save money AND (maybe more important) give more possibility to the project
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Bertl
sb0: the free CPU is not off the table :)
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Bertl
we just have no expert willing to work on that (yet)
15:22
Bertl
giacomoalbe: no problem there, you can do many things without even having access to the hardware
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Bertl
sb0: there are a number of quite complicated things we face with a soft CPU, and nobody currently interested in spending a lot of time on it just to "get rid" of hardware which is already there
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Bertl
wb slikdigit!
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slikdigit
heya Bertl
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slikdigit
congrats on great campaign
15:30
Bertl
thanks! and thanks to everybody who has contributed!
15:30
slikdigit
sadly I have only been trying to spread it and show people
15:30
slikdigit
currently very broke :/
15:30
sb0
Bertl, I get it, I've been hearing this sort of thing from the hacker community for 6 years now
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slikdigit
I might have to content myself with a symbolic donation (though I'm drooling for the 35 version)
15:31
Bertl
sb0: so do something about it :)
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sb0
(fortunately, other people are not that carefully ignoring open CPUs and are even willing to pay for them)
15:33
Bertl
you know better than most that nothing happens in the FOSS/OH world by giving good advice and complaining
15:35
giacomoalbe
Perfect! Right now I've got a lot of ideas but I'm a bit confused. I think that could be a better idea to try to understand what can I do for the bete and I think that IRC is not the best place to look for it. But now, as I know that my contribution could became reality ( :) ), i'm going to send you an email with an in depth explanation of myself and my thoughts about the project.
15:36
giacomoalbe
Thanks a lot for the help give, i hope to get involved in the project as soon as possbile. Thanks to you Bertl for your kindness, bye for now!
15:39
Bertl
you're welcome!
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cfelton
I like this group: reasonable and audacious, obviously an organization
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cfelton
of intelligent people.
15:42
Bertl
thanks for the flowers! what can we do for you? :)
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aombk
today is my birthday. what will be apertus present for me?
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Bertl
looks like we might make the 150k stretch goal, present enough?
15:58
aombk
no bertl come on presents have to be personal
16:01
Bertl
I'm not good with presents, we'll have to wait for se6astian ...
16:06
troisdsman
hey sb0 are you the same one from electrolab?
16:07
sb0
yes
16:12
alexML
aombk: time to get that expensive dinner perk :D
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aombk
i am starting a 15 hour crowd funding campaign for my birthday with 20k goal in order to get the perk
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Bertl
great idea!
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aombk
making an indiegogo campaign is much more complicated than i thought
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aombk
and the minimum time is 1 day
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Bertl
damn! you should have started earlier
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aombk
also if my goal is 20k how much will i finaly get? 19200 or less?
16:31
Bertl
depends on the funding, in the best case 93%
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aombk
ok please support https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/fund-me-so-i-can-get-the-axiom-beta-20k-perk/x/898868
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aombk
make some noise about my campaign
16:46
alexML
put some useful perks there, idk, beer, pizza, whatever other leftovers from the dinner :P
16:48
aombk
no i dont want to commit to things
16:48
alexML
then you will get no funds
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dmjnova
is this meant humorously?
16:49
Bertl
no, aombk is always dead serious
16:49
aombk
no of course not its very serious
16:49
alexML
aombk promised he will get us a dinner with the apertus team, and now we are hungry :D
16:50
dmjnova
:P
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philippej
I publicly apologize to yanez that I didn't answer any of his questions, right after he asked them. My client probably closed :-)
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dmjnova
you wouldn't believe the number of "fund my Ubuntu Edge" campaigns that popped up during that campaign
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philippej
afaict, they are now answered anyway
16:52
aombk
dmjnova, yes i remember those fund my ubuntu edge campaigns. they were very cool
16:53
aombk
but they promised they are going to become active developers
16:53
aombk
thats why they didnt succeed
16:55
theuberkevlar
I pledged 1 euro to your birthday.
16:55
theuberkevlar
Happy Birthday
16:55
theuberkevlar
if you are serious
16:55
theuberkevlar
if not, then Happy Un-birthday
16:56
aombk
thanks! no it really is my birthday today
16:56
theuberkevlar
I laughed so hard! I couldn't help but donate 1
16:56
aombk
damn! i knew i should have chosen a flexible campaign.
16:57
theuberkevlar
hahaha
16:57
theuberkevlar
whoops
16:57
theuberkevlar
Well it's the thought that counts, right?
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aombk
yes of course. you did your part. thanks again
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Bertl
wb derWalter!
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aombk
is there a also a hidden limit in indiegogo to the amount of campaigns one can make?
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Bertl
wb sebix!
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sebix
hiho
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niemand
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derWalter
hey guys, where and when will the crowdfunding successparty take place?
17:04
Bertl
all over the world of course!
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Bertl
aombk: you have to advertise your campaign on media sites :)
17:06
aombk
i will contact eoshd right away
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aombk
i know he will support my just cause for sure
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Bertl
probably. try to get it on slashdot as well
17:09
aombk
i will do everything possible to spread this "fund me fund them" campaign
17:09
theuberkevlar
hahaha
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theuberkevlar
haha
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aombk
theuberkevlar, watch the previous south park episode
17:11
aombk
its called "go fund yourself"
17:11
theuberkevlar
hahaha
17:11
theuberkevlar
sounds like a good one
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aombk
is apertus website based on something? like wordpress?
17:28
Bertl
drupal
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aombk
i am thinking about redesigning my websites. shall i consider drupal? is it harder than wordpress?
17:31
aombk
better?
17:34
Bertl
no idea, have a chat with se6astian
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__anton__
sb0: hey, so you're Sebastien Bourdeauducq! A year ago I came across the slides to your http://www.ohwr.org/attachments/821/sebastien.pdf presentation on an Open Source FPGA Toolchain. I remember walking over a bridge in London at night and thinking to myself, wow that guy is crazy, he probably can make it. Of course there needs to be a team a community but without aa leader there's no team, no tribe without a chief. Pls accept my respec
17:45
__anton__
...please accept my respect for at least trying. How far did this project go?
17:48
comradekingu
se6astian|away: sent you the 7th version of the "why opensource" page. If someone can look at it an upload it, preferably before the campaign ends i think it will be clear to more people what it is about
17:49
comradekingu
will send to anyone who is interested, drop me your email in pm
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se6astian|away
changed nick to: se6astian
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se6astian
good evening
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Bertl
evening se6astian!
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se6astian
comradekingu: sorry but I will not have time to go through it before the campaign ends I am afraid
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aombk2
se6astian, bertl told me my birthday present should be getting the 20k perk at 19k. do you agree?
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seku
evenings
18:31
seku
it's my birthday too today. can i get half of the dinner, aombk?
18:32
aombk
you mean, pay for half of the dinner? ofcourse.
18:32
aombk
wait, i should add you to the indiegogo campaign
18:32
seku
aww, i thought your campaign might pay for it
18:32
seku
the axiom feels like the best birthday present ever though
18:33
aombk
give me your email so i can add you as a campaign team member
18:34
seku
xD
18:35
seku
PM sent
18:36
aombk
ok invitation sent
18:37
seku
no mail yet :D
18:37
Bertl
shouldn't it be "fund us" then :)
18:37
theuberkevlar
comradekingu? I'll have a look at that document if you want
18:37
aombk
check at spam?
18:37
aombk
bertl, nice point
18:38
seku
nope, nothing. strange
18:39
aombk
sent again
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aombk
come on, time is running out
18:40
seku
=( my google doesnt seem to want that message... strange
18:40
seku
checked inbox spam whatever
18:46
aombk
maybe we could sue indiegogo for sabotaging our great campaign. google too
18:46
seku
and take the sue money to get that dinner perk. nice idea.
18:46
Bertl
off for now ... bbl
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aombk
seku, nothing yet?
19:17
regmac
OK, I did it. One more and it will break 140K.
19:24
regmac
So, Stretch Goal for 1,5M EUR. HDR video by using a prism and 3 sensor chips for 3 exposures. Variable neutral density filters so that each sensor has the same exposure time and simultaneous exposure. Ta Da! No edge effect video HDR.
19:25
intracube
already â¬140,198 :P
19:26
intracube
â¬1,400 in the last hour
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intracube
someone is going to busy making Beta cameras
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Bertl
back now ...
19:49
Gegsite
Bertl, this is soooo beautiful http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKB7KwyiCLs&index=14&
19:50
Gegsite
oh btw axiom can go into orbit I hope :)
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se6astian
definitely, with enough propulsion :)
19:55
se6astian
http://www.eoshd.com/2014/10/last-chance-order-early-4k-raw-axiom-beta-linux-based-open-source-camera/
19:55
se6astian
last campaign update posted
19:55
se6astian
thats it from our side I guess
19:56
se6astian
gentlemen, it had been a pleasure
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20:14
derWalter
how far away would be a 4K RAW PC recording option from an external record to ssd option?
20:14
Gegsite
wow only 8k⬠away from the 4K :)
20:14
derWalter
external in the meaning a device of the size of an atomos recorder
20:14
Gegsite
still have 11 hours
20:16
Bertl
derWalter: we'll see what we come up with, the PC has to record the data somewhere, an SSD will work fine for that purpose
20:16
derWalter
hey bertl, long time no see
20:17
derWalter
say Bertl what do you mean, when you write "pc" ?
20:18
Bertl
personal computer :)
20:19
derWalter
could something like zboard do the trick?
20:19
Bertl
that's an FPGA development board, and I don't see where you would be able to record 4k there
20:19
derWalter
"something like"
20:19
Bertl
otherwise we would have done that in the AXIOM Alpha already
20:19
derWalter
i dont know what you would need for doing the trick
20:20
Bertl
me neither, we will figure it out I guess, if the goal is reached
20:20
derWalter
you will figure it out anyway ^^
20:21
derWalter
just a little bit later... maybe
20:21
Bertl
I guess so, yes :)
20:22
derWalter
all we are waiting for is sata express i think, right?
20:25
Bertl
I think the future will be NVMe or something similar
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derWalter
isnt that the same?
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derWalter
btw, by getting the data into an other fpga board, one could lossless compress it there and push it trough an already available connection, or am i am totally mistaken?
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eduardo
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Bertl
welcome eduardo/Guest10635
20:35
Guest10635
yep
20:35
Bertl
welcome AndroUser2!
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Guest10635
watching live the aproach of 150k :-)
20:36
se6astian
fingers crossed :)
20:36
se6astian
I see we have a lot of users on the site currently
20:36
se6astian
almost as many as on launch day
20:36
Guest10635
yep
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Guest10635
all wtching
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Guest10635
all watching
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seku
144,5k ;O
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derWalter
!!!!
20:37
Bertl
they really want to have us work hard!
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Guest10635
You might end up implementing 40 GBit Ethernet module for thge Beta :-)
20:38
intracube
rate is about â¬3,400/hour right now!
20:38
seku
we do we do :D
20:38
se6astian
impressive
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se6astian
slashcam released another article about us: http://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Editorials/Wird-die-Apertus-Axiom-der-naechste-Gamechanger-.html
20:38
seku
the eoshd one is very nice as well
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se6astian
agreed
20:40
Legendin
Holy Moly, I'm away for a day or two, and return to find the Axiom bathing in a wet dream of stretch goals! :D
20:40
seku
incredibly positive on your slashcam link as well
20:41
Legendin
Really glad we got the battery mount
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Guest10635
Well it might go like this: 1) euporia 2)difficulties 3) desaster 4) cut back 5) deliver something 6) wonder 7) unxpected progress
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Guest10635
Projects to learn from: OpenPandora , Parallella, ....
20:43
se6astian
difficulties are kind of expected but I hope we can avoid point 3 :)
20:45
Guest10635
Sebastian, you already proved that you never give up,. Its just that sometimes (unexpected) desasters happen.
20:46
seku
sure it can happen its not riskless. damn promising tho öD
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Guest10635
The art is not to give up even when desaster happen.
20:49
Legendin
The (opensource) nature of this project will hopefully help us realise even the stretch goals, as every backer is a potential developer / source of input
20:50
Bertl
yes, I'm not worried that in the case of a fatal event somebody can pick up where we left
20:51
Guest10635
I hope you developers dont start to fight about how to spend the money.
20:52
Bertl
we made some plans in advance, so I don't think that will happen easily
20:53
se6astian
we all agreed that one big pile of donuts would be the best investment into the future
20:53
se6astian
â¬145,935 btw
20:53
se6astian
looks like we will hit the last stretch goal within the next hours already
20:53
se6astian
incredible....
20:53
Guest10635
I guess now every 5 minutes there are flowing 1000 Euro in
20:54
seku
the pace is crazy... i guess you guys will be hard at work with all those stretch goals
20:54
aombk2
are you planning for the next stretch goal?
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20:55
Bertl
tempting, but I guess we have enough on our hands with the defined ones already
20:55
seku
just curious what else would you have up your sleeves
20:56
aombk
could future stretch goals be about removing features?
20:56
seku
(how about integrating NDs into the lens mount *grins*
20:56
se6astian
yes, lets say if we get 160K⬠we will NOT do the Canon EF mount anymore
20:56
se6astian
that should stop the madness :D
20:57
seku
now thats evil :D
20:57
Legendin
NDs would be rad, though...
20:59
seku
146.6k. people really seem to like that raw recorder
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Gegsite
JISS
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intracube
are there any longer term plans to support Nikon active mount?
21:04
Guest10635
na, die 150k warte ich jetzt noch ab, und dann ab ins bett.
21:04
seku
noch ne stunde maxi wenns so weitergeht
21:05
se6astian
intracube: not currently but if enough people want it why not
21:05
se6astian
the mechnanical electronic interface for the Canon EF will just need slight adaption to be Nikon ready
21:07
intracube
se6astian: cool :)
21:07
seku
147...
21:10
se6astian
Though nikon changes the aperture with a mechanical knob in the bayonet mount for the older lenses IIRC
21:10
se6astian
that will be a bit tricky to implement
21:10
se6astian
especially if you don't want to just open/close the aperture but hit specific aperture values
21:11
intracube
se6astian: it also depends what percentage of lenses out there use that method to control aperture
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intracube
all my Nikon lenses are either fully manual or electronic servo motor controlled
21:12
se6astian
that we would need to evaluate in a survey I guess
21:14
intracube
but there is a mechanical arm on most (all?) nikon lenses to shut down the aperture when taking a shot
21:14
intracube
se6astian: is that what you meant?
21:14
se6astian
yes
21:15
intracube
ah, yes. that would need addressing then
21:15
se6astian
http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn290/CougarWilbur/TPF/800px-Nikon_D70_img_0725.jpg
21:16
intracube
yep, that's it
21:16
intracube
I was thinking about the auto-focus motor screw drive
21:18
derWalter
[23:05] <se6astian> the mechnanical electronic interface for the Canon EF will just need slight adaption to be Nikon ready --> what i thought the whole time
21:19
Guest10635
2k to go.
21:20
derWalter
time for an other stretch goal? :D
21:21
derWalter
cut that out... go get drunk and then down to work
21:22
derWalter
where and how do you want to assemble all those cameras? i can see myself sitting in a cellar somewhere around vienna, assembling camera in my spare time to support the project already
21:23
Bertl
sounds good :)
21:23
se6astian
derWalter: glad you suggested that :)
21:24
derWalter
last night i dreamed of turning the large shed behind my house into a camerafactory :D :D :D but such dreams happen only once a month, the night before full moon, which is todayyy
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se6astian
tell me more about that shed?!
21:26
aombk
add a 200k stretch goal please
21:27
alexML
with a sony a7s sensor :P
21:28
aombk
no just a stupid thing
21:28
derWalter
i see.... i should have never ever talked about that shed ....
21:28
aombk
but a stretch goal must exist
21:28
derWalter
like a pink pony for everyone?
21:28
wescotte
world peace for $200k!
21:28
derWalter
like the mayor of reykjavik
21:29
se6astian
now that the shed was mentioned...
21:29
se6astian
what is it like? :)
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Guest10635
200 euro to go
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Gegsite
200⬠left
21:32
derWalter
those ppl are mad, absolutely mad...
21:32
aombk
apertus logo keychain for 200k
21:32
derWalter
i am with aombk
21:33
Q_
derWalter: A garage will do fine too.
21:33
derWalter
well.. right now i ve parked my iveco 3510 there
21:33
derWalter
and my tractor trailer
21:33
Guest10635
open source bitstream toolchain for programming the camera FPGA
21:33
derWalter
and some other stuff as well .... :D
21:34
Q_
So put it somewhere else, you'd have plenty of space. :)
21:34
derWalter
(F5)'ing !!!!!!
21:35
alexML
what about a shed like this? :P http://mychiaroscuro.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2393
21:36
derWalter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NflTOYuVJ0E
21:36
derWalter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NflTOYuVJ0E
21:37
seku
whoa, really close
21:38
Guest10635
not yet.............
21:39
seku
i bet someone will take the 20000 perk and push it over 150k
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Bertl
wb KurtAugust!
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Bertl
150k \o/
21:40
seku
congrats!!!!!
21:40
KurtAugust
Hi
21:40
seku
whoa... battery, canon mount, lens settings and now 4k raw
21:40
derWalter
TATAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
21:41
seku
and still 9 hours to go xD
21:41
alexML
where's the cat detection???? :P
21:41
derWalter
a lot of work needs to be done
21:41
KurtAugust
Congratulations! Didn't see this coming a week ago!
21:41
aombk
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2575623/Yours-200-000-Nuclear-bunker-built-30-MILLION-1990-hospital-workshop-commercial-kitchen-BBC-TV-studio-goes-market.html
21:41
derWalter
yes!!!!
21:41
derWalter
dog detection
21:41
KurtAugust
Pong please
21:41
aombk
put this a stretch goal
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Guest10635
thanx all togehter and good night.
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aombk
get this for offices as a 200k stretch goal
21:43
derWalter
:D :D
21:43
derWalter
weeeeeeeeeeelll,... but then there is no more money for developing the camera!!!!!
21:43
derWalter
i would make that the 1mil bucks stretch goal
21:44
derWalter
so thats it for me guys
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derWalter
i am looking forward to the gamma crowdfunding campaign!
21:45
derWalter
maybe you are aiming for the million next time?
21:46
dmjnova
derWalter: I don't think this campaign is that far off from a million when you think about it
21:46
seku
couldnt have wished for a better bday present
21:46
derWalter
well... it is all about PR, isnt it?
21:46
dmjnova
you've got people committing to quite a bit more down the line
21:46
seku
300 cams = roughly 1mill
21:47
seku
err.. 400
21:47
dmjnova
and we're about there
21:47
derWalter
well.... in hardware costs
21:47
seku
plus the additional stuff... lens mount, battery, raw vid
21:47
seku
i guess there will be a lot of interest in those too
21:48
derWalter
haha, reminds me, some guys once arranged a lan party in austria and rented a big place for it, and everything went perfect and than the bank closed their account due the suspicion of money laundering and they realized it just on friday when they had to pay the location and the bank closed down for the weekend
21:50
derWalter
afair the poor guy went bankrupt, lost his house, girlfriend and left austria afterwards... :/
21:50
derWalter
so long
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derWalter
i /quit
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KurtAugust
Well, a nice customer base to start with... all those deposits. I wonder what is the balance here between developers and users just wanting to shoot.
21:53
dmjnova
KurtAugust: I'd say there's some of both and some who are both
21:53
comradekingu
stretch goal display ports? External screens for those are a lot more readily available and cheap/foss
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vince__
hi
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vince__
how can ou record the images from the AXIOM Beta?
21:58
comradekingu
vince__: either with an external hdmi recorder or via the 150k PC interface
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comradekingu
for images i think there is internal uSD
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dmjnova
se6astian: wow, that raw photo you posted, so malleable in a raw editor
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vince__
so internal only for still images?
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se6astian
vince__: yes the sd card only for still images
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se6astian
dmjnova: great you like it
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se6astian
also happy with the mad lab announcement?
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vince__
thx
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yanez
Hello to everybody, hello Sebastian.
22:04
Even
*thumbs up* great work se6astian!
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yanez
this afternoon I have chatted with Bertl
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yanez
about the possibility to donate 50 é now and upgrade to 350 in about a month.
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Bertl
wb yanez!
22:05
yanez
oh here you are, hello Bertl
22:05
Bertl
you crashed your car, IIRC
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dmjnova
se6astian: oh yeah!
22:06
yanez
yes, i think to get paied for a job in about a monthy.
22:06
yanez
Untill then iI,m on diet.
22:07
Bertl
tell us what you plan to do with the AXIOM Beta, once you get your hands on it
22:08
yanez
I am an editor and i think to use it for corporate video.
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surami
congrats for break through the 150k border :)
22:11
se6astian
thanks :)
22:12
se6astian
OK I think I should stop pressing F5 and just head to bed
22:12
Bertl
just a second, please
22:13
yanez
ok what about my request? Is it possible?
22:13
Bertl
well, community! do you have any problem with making an exception for yanez by giving him a chance to get the Beta for 350 EUR within a month?
22:14
Bertl
se6astian any problem on our side with that, if the community doesn't object?
22:14
se6astian
no problem
22:15
se6astian
I am in a generous mood :)
22:15
Bertl
who would have guessed :)
22:15
yanez
:)
22:15
yanez
Thanks very much
22:15
KurtAugust
:-)
22:15
Bertl
yanez: you're welcome!
22:15
yanez
so how have to do it now?
22:16
Bertl
well, I guess the best way is to direcly use the apertus donation page
22:16
yanez
I go on the donation page and send 50 euros, then how can I contact for upgrading?
22:16
se6astian
just email us and remind us of this conversation
22:16
Bertl
and write a comment there, with a link to the IRC log :)
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Bertl
welcome zak_!
22:17
se6astian
at the time we will probably have forgotten about it already but this chat log is the proof :)
22:17
se6astian
http://irc.apertus.org/index.php?day=08&month=10&year=2014
22:17
yanez
where I find the email adress?
22:18
se6astian
https://apertus.org/contact
22:19
yanez
should I use the contact form?
22:19
se6astian
or the email address listed above it
22:20
yanez
ok thanks very mauch now i,m going to the donation page.
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yanez
then I will email for send my name and contacts.
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Bertl
great! now time for party! :)
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se6astian
you take the party shift, I go to sleep :)
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se6astian
good night
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Bertl
sleep well!
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se6astian
we will swap tomorrow morning
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se6astian
thanks
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surami
200k dreams for you :D good night!
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surami
i go too cheers
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Bertl
cheers!
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nnailer
Congrats Apertus.
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nnailer
Amazong how the funding came around.
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vince__
will the Active Battery Mount be included now in the axiom beta when you donated the 350�
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vince__
and buy the camera next year?
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Bertl
vince__: when we have it ready when the Beta ships, you can also buy the Battery Mount
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yanez
All done: 8R862849SB583841H
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Bertl
excellent! now get your car fixed :)
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yanez
I already got the car fixed, now I have to pay for it...
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Bertl
k, so do that then ...
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yanez
i'll do it, good night!
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Bertl
have a good one too!
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daFred
have nice dreams!!!
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g3gg0
wtf
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g3gg0
157k?
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Bertl
yes, ideed!
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Bertl
*indeed
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Bertl
and still going
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g3gg0
what happened the last few hours? are the official tv stations reporting about axiom?!
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Bertl
no idea, but it got crazy
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g3gg0
that fund curve is going up exponentially.... :)
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dmjnova
g3gg0: last minute reporting combined with the last minute push
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dmjnova
g3gg0: crowdfunding campaigns that are within a reasonable chance of being successful tend to get a last minute push
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g3gg0
yeah
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g3gg0
still frightening :)
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g3gg0
gn8 everyone
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Bertl
sleep well!
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derWalter
i ve a question: whats about august?
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derWalter
will you add an other patch?
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Bertl
not planned, august we will need a vaccation :)
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Bertl
-c
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Bertl
btw, derWalter, were you serious about helping with assembling Betas?
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derWalter
yes, i was, ofc
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derWalter
if i am in austria, i will be defenitely on board with you
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Bertl
you're good with the soldering iron?
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Bertl
yeah, the Austria part was what caught my attention there :)
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derWalter
havent done anything like it for years to be honest...
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derWalter
but i guess there are also more simple tasks which need to be done but soldering
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Bertl
yeah, sure, just asking
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derWalter
do i remember correctly, that ive seen that you live in the area of sulz?
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Bertl
no, you're wrong there, I'm nearby St.Poelten, Laaben to be precise
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Bertl
(not too far from Vienna)
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derWalter
ah, okay, even further away
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derWalter
well, i guess i know exactly the right people for this task...
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derWalter
i once studied on the angewandte and in the lehramt section, there is the studio klinger... its basically a bunch of freaks, soldering their own modular synthesizers and hacking around and working a lot with video and old cameras
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derWalter
two days ago i ve been there and saw ulli, the person leading the "studio klinger" so i could talk to him about it and if he knows some people who would be fitting for such a task
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derWalter
i also know some people from the industrial design class 1 and 2 of the angewandte
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derWalter
so if there is a definite job description, i guess i could get a team for that
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derWalter
did you think about how much of the 350⬠you want to spend on assembling, packaging and such?
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Bertl
okay, we will try to devise a list of tasks soon, so inform and motivate them if possible, we'll see what we outsource and what we decide to do ourselves
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derWalter
well, outsource everything which holds you back from developing...
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derWalter
btw.: http://www.dieangewandte.at/jart/prj3/angewandte/main.jart?rel=de&reserve-mode=active&content-id=1229508258594&LV-Id=8864&semester=
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derWalter
thats studio klinger and there is also the contact of ulli on that page
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derWalter
for them the axiom will unlock a new dimension i guess
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Bertl
okay, thanks!