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how so?

yeah, looks like I misunderstood

okay, off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!

DCI-P3 is a rather large gamut, and 2020 is larger still.

aombk: Technicolor's picture style is a hack.

Anyways, for anyone that gives a flying fubar... most of the time you are going to need to operate on the raw "colorspace" of the camera if you are doing manipulation work. (Tad of a misnomer as a camera doesn't really have a colorspace per se)

(Granted getting to an accurate profile can be much more challenging than it appears.)

morning folks!

24h left and 129k already!!!

4k to SSD or something to that effect would be ideal.

hi all

hmm?

i mean what interface... sorry

yes

they are routed directly from the FPGA to the shield connector (which is a high speed connector)

What does the "active" mean in an active battery mount?

+is

we will definitely measure battery voltage and estimate power consumption (based on current draw)

What does accessing a battery profile/id get you? just more accurate estimate on remaining power?

so called intelligent batteries have a chip inside that stores what goes in and what goes out (when using and when charging), and also provide the initial capacity of the battery

BUT : this is all proprietary stuff, so it needs to be reverse engineerd

Did they already decide on the battery type/manufactoer?

"they" being us?

:)

we picked the most common type here (NP-F970/F750/F550)

Ah okay I've seen those used in several non Sony devices before. Kinda surprised nobody has released the battery profile/id stuff publicly. Is there legal implications for doing so?

Lots of portable LCDs, camera mounted LED lights, and Sound Devices audio recorders use those I believe.

daFred: I don't think so but we will investigate this of course

off for now ... bbl

I'd contribute to your crowdfunding campaign if you switch to a open CPU/SoC instead of the fashionable yet proprietary Zynq.

sb0: what CPU/SoC would you recommend? Your help is welcome...

we've been putting a lot of effort into this: http://m-labs.hk/gateware.html

http://blog.abelcine.com/2011/08/10/alexas-anamorphic-de-squeeze-explained-2/

:)

hi sb0, a 100% open cpu/soc doesn't exist or i haven't heard of one.... to develop a soc it will cost at least 1 mio $ i would even say 2 to 5 mio $ because a soc is not easy to make

just latly there was a cpu core release that could be used: riscv.org

and it's 10x larger and 50% slower than what we've been using for years

ahh okey, out of my knowledge area....

sb0: I don't know if bertl has heard about Migen but I'm sure he will comment this!

as I understand, you are doing the heavy processing in the fabric not the CPU, so you have no reason to use zynq except fashion

I have several misoc-based devices already, some used in pretty big applications. my point is that when choosing between an open solution like misoc and a proprietary and vendor-locked solution, with bad software, and which encourages the dominant position of ARM, you chose the latter. and that's unfortunate.

sb0: hi sb0, no pun intended, but is MiSoC really better than Microzed? As far as I can see it is based on Spartan6 isn't that just as proprietary as Zynq 7000?

__anton__, the CPU/SoC HDL is open. and you can run on any FPGA, people have used misoc on xilinx, altera and lattice no problem

so far yes. another typical area where hacker/open source projects typically suck is UI/UX/usability, but I don't know much about the Axiom UI and cannot comment.

yes

well obviously you could replace the zynq chip with e.g. artix or kintex or even some altera device. but that should be easy enough once you have kicked out the arm cores...

sb0: and if your work on Migen will lead to creation of Vivaldo replacement it would make lots of people very happy. Re Axiom the guys are imo taking the most sensible pragmatic yet very open approach. After all we do want the cameras to ship in half a year.

hey guys, are you going to release some more perks, so the 150k can be reached?

hello any staff member here?.

yanez_, don't hesitate to ask :-)

can i send PM here?

ok here my first question: Does the prices €1500/19000/2300 include VAT and Duty for Italy?

ing video. So two workflow are possible: recording in a cheap device the throughout signal and synch the bip in waveform with beginning and end of clip, or send the audio output to thechannel 2 of a more expansive device, and plug a pro mic in the channel. Then usign the bip in waveform for synching the clips.

congratulation guys the crowdfunding campain is a real success

I would ask if the prices €1500/19000/2300 include VAT and Duty for Italy?

Who should i contact in order to get confirm of all this? TKS

Then i will use the two bip for syncing in the timeline using the waveform. 2. I send the audio output with the bips embeded to one channel of an audio device as the HANDY RECORDER H4n, and i plug a pro mic in the other channel.

Syncing the two bips with the beging and end of corresponding video clip.

Hi all!

yanez: http://irc.apertus.org - the arcive of this chat - wirks flawlessly. So even if you close the window you will still be able to see later what Sebastian and Herbert replied to your questions

hey giacomoalbe! yes, go ahead ask, no need to ask for permission

regarding the audio thing, we will provide some option for timecodes, so I think you will not need that

I'll see what I can do, if the community doesn't object, then it's fine with us

Well I have to report myself. I'm an Italian student, currently attending th bachelor degree in Electronical and TLC Engeneering.

yanez: the numbers are estimates, you will have to pay everything necessary to basically get the camera assembled and shipped to you (unless you pay us a visit in Austria and take it with you)

and I'm really interested in getting involved in the software/hardware part of the apertus community, by giving my help, time and comepetence to the "cause"

well TLC is TeleComunication

not only one :)

It's figuring out if there are additional costs to 2300 €, because they are at the limit of my budget for the camera body only.

I have some other ideas for the remote control and the battery mount. I think to post them on the forum.

FPGA scripting, that sounds interesting :)

wow, 135k already ...

yanez: I have no idea what taxes will apply in your case, but please check with se6astian when he returns, he probably knows or can figure it out

on the way to the PC recording solution now

giacomoalbe: okay, did you back the campaign and do you plan to get a Beta or do you "just" want to help?

Well, I just really want to buy the beta but right now my wallet does not allow me to do it :) But I think that the Beta would be one of my must have deal, in particular if I want to work on it. So if I decide to seriusly contribute to the project I'll surely buy one of them

135K. great! I have a pile of NP-F batteries :-)

hellos

wb Even!

giacomoalbe: no need to buy the beta now, but you should consider contributing, it will save you a lot of money later

I'm not motivated to write a HDL synthesizer, partly because people don't give a crap about free CPUs already

we just have no expert willing to work on that (yet)

sb0: there are a number of quite complicated things we face with a soft CPU, and nobody currently interested in spending a lot of time on it just to "get rid" of hardware which is already there

wb slikdigit!

congrats on great campaign

sadly I have only been trying to spread it and show people

Bertl, I get it, I've been hearing this sort of thing from the hacker community for 6 years now

sb0: so do something about it :)

you know better than most that nothing happens in the FOSS/OH world by giving good advice and complaining

Thanks a lot for the help give, i hope to get involved in the project as soon as possbile. Thanks to you Bertl for your kindness, bye for now!

I like this group: reasonable and audacious, obviously an organization

thanks for the flowers! what can we do for you? :)

today is my birthday. what will be apertus present for me?

no bertl come on presents have to be personal

hey sb0 are you the same one from electrolab?

aombk: time to get that expensive dinner perk :D

i am starting a 15 hour crowd funding campaign for my birthday with 20k goal in order to get the perk

great idea!

making an indiegogo campaign is much more complicated than i thought

damn! you should have started earlier

depends on the funding, in the best case 93%

ok please support https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/fund-me-so-i-can-get-the-axiom-beta-20k-perk/x/898868

put some useful perks there, idk, beer, pizza, whatever other leftovers from the dinner :P

then you will get no funds

no, aombk is always dead serious

aombk promised he will get us a dinner with the apertus team, and now we are hungry :D

I publicly apologize to yanez that I didn't answer any of his questions, right after he asked them. My client probably closed :-)

you wouldn't believe the number of "fund my Ubuntu Edge" campaigns that popped up during that campaign

dmjnova, yes i remember those fund my ubuntu edge campaigns. they were very cool

thats why they didnt succeed

Happy Birthday

if not, then Happy Un-birthday

I laughed so hard! I couldn't help but donate 1

hahaha

Well it's the thought that counts, right?

yes of course. you did your part. thanks again

is there a also a hidden limit in indiegogo to the amount of campaigns one can make?

wb sebix!

all over the world of course!

aombk: you have to advertise your campaign on media sites :)

i know he will support my just cause for sure

i will do everything possible to spread this "fund me fund them" campaign

haha

its called "go fund yourself"

sounds like a good one

drupal

i am thinking about redesigning my websites. shall i consider drupal? is it harder than wordpress?

no idea, have a chat with se6astian

sb0: hey, so you're Sebastien Bourdeauducq! A year ago I came across the slides to your http://www.ohwr.org/attachments/821/sebastien.pdf presentation on an Open Source FPGA Toolchain. I remember walking over a bridge in London at night and thinking to myself, wow that guy is crazy, he probably can make it. Of course there needs to be a team a community but without aa leader there's no team, no tribe without a chief. Pls accept my respec

se6astian|away: sent you the 7th version of the "why opensource" page. If someone can look at it an upload it, preferably before the campaign ends i think it will be clear to more people what it is about

good evening

se6astian, bertl told me my birthday present should be getting the 20k perk at 19k. do you agree?

evenings

you mean, pay for half of the dinner? ofcourse.

aww, i thought your campaign might pay for it

give me your email so i can add you as a campaign team member

PM sent

no mail yet :D

comradekingu? I'll have a look at that document if you want

bertl, nice point

sent again

=( my google doesnt seem to want that message... strange

maybe we could sue indiegogo for sabotaging our great campaign. google too

off for now ... bbl

OK, I did it. One more and it will break 140K.

already €140,198 :P

someone is going to busy making Beta cameras

Bertl, this is soooo beautiful http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKB7KwyiCLs&index=14&

http://www.eoshd.com/2014/10/last-chance-order-early-4k-raw-axiom-beta-linux-based-open-source-camera/

thats it from our side I guess

wow only 8k€ away from the 4K :)

still have 11 hours

hey bertl, long time no see

personal computer :)

that's an FPGA development board, and I don't see where you would be able to record 4k there

otherwise we would have done that in the AXIOM Alpha already

me neither, we will figure it out I guess, if the goal is reached

just a little bit later... maybe

all we are waiting for is sata express i think, right?

btw, by getting the data into an other fpga board, one could lossless compress it there and push it trough an already available connection, or am i am totally mistaken?

yep

watching live the aproach of 150k :-)

I see we have a lot of users on the site currently

yep

all watching

they really want to have us work hard!

rate is about €3,400/hour right now!

impressive

slashcam released another article about us: http://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Editorials/Wird-die-Apertus-Axiom-der-naechste-Gamechanger-.html

Holy Moly, I'm away for a day or two, and return to find the Axiom bathing in a wet dream of stretch goals! :D

Really glad we got the battery mount

Projects to learn from: OpenPandora , Parallella, ....

Sebastian, you already proved that you never give up,. Its just that sometimes (unexpected) desasters happen.

The art is not to give up even when desaster happen.

yes, I'm not worried that in the case of a fatal event somebody can pick up where we left

we made some plans in advance, so I don't think that will happen easily

€145,935 btw

incredible....

the pace is crazy... i guess you guys will be hard at work with all those stretch goals

just curious what else would you have up your sleeves

(how about integrating NDs into the lens mount *grins*

that should stop the madness :D

NDs would be rad, though...

JISS

na, die 150k warte ich jetzt noch ab, und dann ab ins bett.

intracube: not currently but if enough people want it why not

se6astian: cool :)

Though nikon changes the aperture with a mechanical knob in the bayonet mount for the older lenses IIRC

especially if you don't want to just open/close the aperture but hit specific aperture values

that we would need to evaluate in a survey I guess

se6astian: is that what you meant?

ah, yes. that would need addressing then

yep, that's it

[23:05] <se6astian> the mechnanical electronic interface for the Canon EF will just need slight adaption to be Nikon ready --> what i thought the whole time

time for an other stretch goal? :D

where and how do you want to assemble all those cameras? i can see myself sitting in a cellar somewhere around vienna, assembling camera in my spare time to support the project already

derWalter: glad you suggested that :)

add a 200k stretch goal please

no just a stupid thing

but a stretch goal must exist

world peace for $200k!

now that the shed was mentioned...

200 euro to go

those ppl are mad, absolutely mad...

i am with aombk

well.. right now i ve parked my iveco 3510 there

open source bitstream toolchain for programming the camera FPGA

So put it somewhere else, you'd have plenty of space. :)

what about a shed like this? :P http://mychiaroscuro.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2393

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NflTOYuVJ0E

not yet.............

150k \o/

Hi

TATAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

where's the cat detection???? :P

Congratulations! Didn't see this coming a week ago!

yes!!!!

Pong please

thanx all togehter and good night.

get this for offices as a 200k stretch goal

weeeeeeeeeeelll,... but then there is no more money for developing the camera!!!!!

so thats it for me guys

maybe you are aiming for the million next time?

couldnt have wished for a better bday present

you've got people committing to quite a bit more down the line

err.. 400

well.... in hardware costs

i guess there will be a lot of interest in those too

afair the poor guy went bankrupt, lost his house, girlfriend and left austria afterwards... :/

i /quit

Well, a nice customer base to start with... all those deposits. I wonder what is the balance here between developers and users just wanting to shoot.

stretch goal display ports? External screens for those are a lot more readily available and cheap/foss

how can ou record the images from the AXIOM Beta?

so internal only for still images?

also happy with the mad lab announcement?

thx

*thumbs up* great work se6astian!

this afternoon I have chatted with Bertl

wb yanez!

you crashed your car, IIRC

yes, i think to get paied for a job in about a monthy.

tell us what you plan to do with the AXIOM Beta, once you get your hands on it

congrats for break through the 150k border :)

OK I think I should stop pressing F5 and just head to bed

ok what about my request? Is it possible?

se6astian any problem on our side with that, if the community doesn't object?

I am in a generous mood :)

:)

:-)

so how have to do it now?

I go on the donation page and send 50 euros, then how can I contact for upgrading?

and write a comment there, with a link to the IRC log :)

welcome zak_!

http://irc.apertus.org/index.php?day=08&month=10&year=2014

https://apertus.org/contact

or the email address listed above it

great! now time for party! :)

good night

we will swap tomorrow morning

200k dreams for you :D good night!

cheers!

Amazong how the funding came around.

All done: 8R862849SB583841H

I already got the car fixed, now I have to pay for it...

have a good one too!

have nice dreams!!!

157k?

*indeed

what happened the last few hours? are the official tv stations reporting about axiom?!

that fund curve is going up exponentially.... :)

g3gg0: crowdfunding campaigns that are within a reasonable chance of being successful tend to get a last minute push

still frightening :)

sleep well!

will you add an other patch?

-c

yes, i was, ofc

you're good with the soldering iron?

havent done anything like it for years to be honest...

but i guess there are also more simple tasks which need to be done but soldering

do i remember correctly, that ive seen that you live in the area of sulz?

(not too far from Vienna)

well, i guess i know exactly the right people for this task...

two days ago i ve been there and saw ulli, the person leading the "studio klinger" so i could talk to him about it and if he knows some people who would be fitting for such a task

so if there is a definite job description, i guess i could get a team for that

okay, we will try to devise a list of tasks soon, so inform and motivate them if possible, we'll see what we outsource and what we decide to do ourselves

btw.: http://www.dieangewandte.at/jart/prj3/angewandte/main.jart?rel=de&reserve-mode=active&content-id=1229508258594&LV-Id=8864&semester=

for them the axiom will unlock a new dimension i guess