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morning folks!

Some guy use the pocket blackmagic ?

hi Phrk_, yes I use it

what you mean by proper ?

I use blender-vse, it enough for my work

sounds good, but once you start shooting raw the choices become a bit limiting

off for now ... bbl

the choices to export you mean ?

*conversion

Ugh.

se6astian: The issue is that raw workflows are new to 99.5% of most imagers, so the idea of using an NLE to output a text file is alien to most.

Phrk_: Are you familiar with post production pipes?

Phrk_: How you handle an image from the point it is shot, through edit, through post.

well i adapt my image/video for blender with ffmpeg

But i'm used to cli convert, cause when i was on windows i use avisynth for massive convertion

You don't want to actually edit / cut on the raw (highest quality) frames.

You can't do that sort of thing effectively in an NLE.

What !?

Typical sources up to about 14 bit per channel require a deeper compositing buffer.

If you couple that with say, a few hundred nodes in a compositing node chain, it is unworkable in an NLE.

It does.

and if i use proxies

i go to full raw and do color correction ?

1) if the file is a codec, it won't be getting decoded to full bit depth last I looked at the code. I believe it is always 420 8 bit in Blender.

2) You would need a method to ship a shot to the compositor that isn't currently possible

well 420 8 bit it's very weak

The real issue is that it is a solution to the wrong problem.

A compositor or such tool is a much more appropriate place to be doing imaging, including the granularity and tools that an artist requires for such operations.

Which is a slightly more complex and nuanced question.

Your question is buisness centered

Uh no.

There's not a single tool in Libre land that even begins to deal with that.

It's a show stopper.

The issue is more "tools" in that their scope is often crafted from an unfortunate lack of the full needs of a smaller project.

It isn't about a big team. A short independent to independent feature needs that pipeline control.

Why ?

It's like protools, why every audio application need to be like protools ?

You need that pipeline.

(if you are interested in crafting motion pictures.)

but for me color grading in blender is sufficient

im alone in my project, it's very small thing

You should probably learn a little more about the grading issues in that regard then.

yes maybe, but if blender team use blender vse, im sure there more than 420 8bit

What's for you a good and solid pipeline in the non-libre world ?

Just look at needs.

Codecs are problematic on a number of fronts.

(linear versus nonlinear reference space issue)

Phrk_: Dissolve - when you fade one shot into another or to a solid colour.

I only do fade into a solid color

Hard to explain what some of the issues are.

Phrk_: https://sketch.io/sketchpad/

Phrk_: Slide the "Size" to be a large brush.

Paint a large swatch of the cyan color.

then paint a single stroke over top.

?

yes

That's a result of a nonlinear reference space (colour mumbo jumbo)

But it has plenty of tricky issues when you are dealing with a motion picture that I won't go into. There's no super simple way to solve that issue without some rather nuanced and carefully designed software.

(You can try that mix in the VSE and you will see similar results because the default reference mixing space is also nonlinear in Blender's VSE. You can of course change it, but it brings other issues.)

well "new feature"

That simple example (ridiculously simple) actually explodes into many issues that not many folks are aware of when doing motion picture work.

I understand

but maybe you ask to much thing to blender

It's not a paint picture application

That weird blending happens on images.

Yes i understood

It should only be providing the 'blueprint' on how it should be done, then another piece of software should be doing the actual work.

Etc.

or Natron ?

Deep grading like halo and light thing you mean ?

Well I don't have the skill for that kind of grading

:)

?

(And except for the adobe suite, I don't know any software that share the project like you said)

that breaks everything

Maybe it's me, i was dumb enough to use software like vegas...

Once you understand the needs, some tools become rather useless.

When i saw vegas

But i didnt know they make software with their foot

You have to understand the problem with a degree of depth to be able to understand existing solutions.

Of course

fortunately my needs are not very big

I assure you

you simply may not see them yet.

yes

Interesting : https://github.com/kinoraw/kinoraw_repo

good night