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| 01:14 | troy_s | Boo.
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| 01:36 | intracube | morning troy_s
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| 01:46 | troy_s | Greets intracube
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| 02:04 | intracube | interesting: http://www.intopix.com/products/index/index/id/2/lang/en
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| 02:04 | intracube | also: http://www.intopix.com/products/index/index/id/26/lang/en
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| 02:04 | intracube | up to 1000fps 1920x1080 jpeg2000 HW encoding
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| 02:07 | intracube | or over 220fps @4k
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| 02:07 | intracube | *at least that's what the raw specs suggest might be possible
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| 02:32 | intracube | can anyone remember if HW jp2000 encoding has been talked about on here?
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| 02:36 | Rebelj12a | probably yeah classical like a rotary phone
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| 02:43 | intracube | ah, intopix have already chatted to the apertus team
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| 02:43 | intracube | and donated to the project
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| 04:47 | Rebelj12a | Sony patents per pixel exposure sensor.
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| 04:47 | Rebelj12a | http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sony-patent-discloses-groundbreaking-per-pixel-exposure-sensor/
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| 04:49 | intracube | hmm, I wonder how close this is to the cmosis PLR mode
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| 04:53 | intracube | http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20140321766.pdf
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| 04:55 | Rebelj12a | Sounds similar although it seems like with this the individual pixels will do it on a hardware level? Whereas that seems…. software?
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| 04:55 | Rebelj12a | Well hardware, an apparatus it says
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| 04:55 | Rebelj12a | But it has alot about calculations and blurring.
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| 04:56 | intracube | Rebelj12a: I thought cmosis also did it on sensor
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| 04:56 | Rebelj12a | That I have no clue
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| 04:56 | intracube | selectively discharging photosites above a voltage level
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| 04:56 | intracube | this seems rather similar on the face of it
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| 04:56 | Rebelj12a | Probably is?
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| 04:56 | intracube | but I only skimmed it really quickly
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| 05:02 | troy_s | intracube: R3D's codec is JPEG2000 (if you managed to decrypt it)
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| 05:03 | intracube | another plus for jpeg2000 is it isn't too patent encumbered
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| 05:05 | intracube | troy_s: is R3D totally closed?
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| 05:05 | Rebelj12a | Theres got to be more info there though. For how huge they are. I mean maybe the image itself is, but couldn’t they possibly save additional data lossless, and values of all that through the R3dcode
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| 05:05 | troy_s | Uh... How does “you cannot even peek at your own negative as in totally encrypted" sound to you?
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| 05:05 | Rebelj12a | I dont know, just was thinking about it.
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| 05:05 | troy_s | It is JPEG2000
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| 05:06 | troy_s | No mafic
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| 05:06 | troy_s | They have done _nothing_ themselves.
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| 05:06 | intracube | if Red go bust and don't release their program for newer versions of Windows/Mac...?
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| 05:06 | troy_s | Peter had a full R3D decoder working
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| 05:06 | intracube | you'd better pray that you can run the existing r3d software in some emulation mode
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| 05:06 | troy_s | And shortly after
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| 05:06 | troy_s | They encrypted their stream and updated all firmwares.
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| 05:07 | Rebelj12a | On the mac side you are screwed, Mac is notorious for non backwards compatibility
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| 05:07 | intracube | hooray for capitalism!
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| 05:07 | Rebelj12a | Im just surprised someone hasnt decoded it and released it
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| 05:07 | troy_s | There is a relatively reliable rumour that Apple and R3D were in cahoots from the early go.
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| 05:07 | troy_s | How the hell do you propose it gets decrypted?
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| 05:07 | Rebelj12a | Saying exactly whats there.
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| 05:08 | troy_s | Let's say you freeze the memory and get a key dump or whatever...
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| 05:08 | Rebelj12a | Random bored people with nothing better to do. You know, hackers get bored.
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| 05:08 | troy_s | And you, after many hours of work, get a suitable decryption working?
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| 05:08 | troy_s | Next week, R3D drops another firmware and boom.
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| 05:08 | troy_s | Cat and mouse with no return.
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| 05:08 | troy_s | At all.
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| 05:09 | troy_s | Easier to just not support such a shittastic move.
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| 05:09 | intracube | troy_s: but users don't -have- to update their cam firmware, right?
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| 05:09 | Rebelj12a | Well yes but to blow apart what they do. how they do it and steal the tech and code for themselves.
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| 05:09 | troy_s | intracube: Let's see... And given that the software to view your work can have a version check in it... Hrm...
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| 05:10 | troy_s | There is no magic. JPEG2000. Woo.
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| 05:10 | intracube | troy_s: I don't understand
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| 05:10 | troy_s | Demo!
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| 05:10 | intracube | if you have a red camera with FW version where the r3d is cracked, you switch to using openR3D libs?
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| 05:11 | intracube | and DON'T upgrade FW
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| 05:11 | Rebelj12a | There is that,
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| 05:11 | troy_s | intracube hacks his camera. He can now decode his own footage. Finds flaws with footage well, because it is a R3D...
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| 05:11 | Rebelj12a | OpenLib formats and all that.
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| 05:11 | troy_s | Can't upgrade.
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| 05:11 | troy_s | Pretty much screws you. And... Even better... Don't read your Eula.
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| 05:11 | intracube | troy_s: it's not a good situation, granted
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| 05:11 | Rebelj12a | Seperate programs that sort of things. Open source versions.
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| 05:12 | troy_s | Because IIRC it explicitly forbids that behavior and your ownership of the camera is jeopardized.
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| 05:12 | troy_s | But don't quote me on it.
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| 05:12 | Rebelj12a | I dont know, that hasnt really stopped people before.
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| 05:12 | troy_s | Their EULA has changed dozens of times.
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| 05:12 | intracube | ownership of camera is jeopardized??
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| 05:13 | troy_s | I'll be blunt. You don't own that camera when it is encumbered as it is.
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| 05:13 | troy_s | And there are ridiculous EULA clauses you agree to when you add yourself to the purchase list.
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| 05:15 | Rebelj12a | The compression algorithm is wavelet jpeg2000 however it records compressed bayer data. Recording the compressed raw data possibly not the image itself? Allows for white balance, gamma, other image processing paramaters to be set in post.
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| 05:17 | Rebelj12a | Im just reading the wiki now. But in any case… it doesnt record the RGB data.
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| 05:17 | troy_s | http://philipbloom.net/2011/12/10/nomoreepic/
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| 05:17 | intracube | http://www.hdwarrior.co.uk/2011/12/10/philip-bloom-sends-his-red-epic-back/
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| 05:17 | troy_s | RGB bayer.
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| 05:17 | troy_s | Yep. And you can probably find the ridiculous EULA there too.
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| 05:17 | intracube | troy_s: yep, just read that
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| 05:18 | troy_s | It is nothing but shills and hacks.
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| 05:18 | Rebelj12a | Phillip bloom isnt rich? His name is everywhere.
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| 05:18 | troy_s | With all due respect to Mr. Fincher and his Kool-Aid
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| 05:18 | troy_s | Anyways. Bed.
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| 05:18 | Rebelj12a | night
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| 05:18 | intracube | night
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| 06:29 | Rebelj12a | Duclos auto collimator bench or…. A bench to measure and adjust lens backfocus. I need this…
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| 06:30 | Rebelj12a | http://matthewduclos.wordpress.com/2014/06/03/the-new-duclos-autocollimator-bench/
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| 06:30 | Rebelj12a | http://www.ducloslenses.com/products/collimator?variant=474443433
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| 06:31 | Rebelj12a | Expensive but totally worth it.
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| 06:33 | Rebelj12a | And I just realize through a slurry of blog posts i’ve purchased the wrong cameras for what im doing....
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| 06:33 | Rebelj12a | blast
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| 13:50 | troy_s | Rebelj12a: Back focus died in the late 90s. :)
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