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2014/11/07

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Bertl_oO
welcome saverio!
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saverio
ciao
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intracube_afk
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intracube
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troy_s
Boo.
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intracube
morning troy_s
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troy_s
Greets intracube
02:04
intracube
interesting: http://www.intopix.com/products/index/index/id/2/lang/en
02:04
intracube
also: http://www.intopix.com/products/index/index/id/26/lang/en
02:04
intracube
up to 1000fps 1920x1080 jpeg2000 HW encoding
02:07
intracube
or over 220fps @4k
02:07
intracube
*at least that's what the raw specs suggest might be possible
02:32
intracube
can anyone remember if HW jp2000 encoding has been talked about on here?
02:36
Rebelj12a
probably yeah classical like a rotary phone
02:43
intracube
ah, intopix have already chatted to the apertus team
02:43
intracube
and donated to the project
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04:47
Rebelj12a
Sony patents per pixel exposure sensor.
04:47
Rebelj12a
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sony-patent-discloses-groundbreaking-per-pixel-exposure-sensor/
04:49
intracube
hmm, I wonder how close this is to the cmosis PLR mode
04:53
intracube
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20140321766.pdf
04:55
Rebelj12a
Sounds similar although it seems like with this the individual pixels will do it on a hardware level? Whereas that seems…. software?
04:55
Rebelj12a
Well hardware, an apparatus it says
04:55
Rebelj12a
But it has alot about calculations and blurring.
04:56
intracube
Rebelj12a: I thought cmosis also did it on sensor
04:56
Rebelj12a
That I have no clue
04:56
intracube
selectively discharging photosites above a voltage level
04:56
intracube
this seems rather similar on the face of it
04:56
Rebelj12a
Probably is?
04:56
intracube
but I only skimmed it really quickly
05:02
troy_s
intracube: R3D's codec is JPEG2000 (if you managed to decrypt it)
05:03
intracube
another plus for jpeg2000 is it isn't too patent encumbered
05:05
intracube
troy_s: is R3D totally closed?
05:05
Rebelj12a
Theres got to be more info there though. For how huge they are. I mean maybe the image itself is, but couldn’t they possibly save additional data lossless, and values of all that through the R3dcode
05:05
troy_s
Uh... How does “you cannot even peek at your own negative as in totally encrypted" sound to you?
05:05
Rebelj12a
I dont know, just was thinking about it.
05:05
troy_s
It is JPEG2000
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troy_s
No mafic
05:06
troy_s
They have done _nothing_ themselves.
05:06
intracube
if Red go bust and don't release their program for newer versions of Windows/Mac...?
05:06
troy_s
Peter had a full R3D decoder working
05:06
intracube
you'd better pray that you can run the existing r3d software in some emulation mode
05:06
troy_s
And shortly after
05:06
troy_s
They encrypted their stream and updated all firmwares.
05:07
Rebelj12a
On the mac side you are screwed, Mac is notorious for non backwards compatibility
05:07
intracube
hooray for capitalism!
05:07
Rebelj12a
Im just surprised someone hasnt decoded it and released it
05:07
troy_s
There is a relatively reliable rumour that Apple and R3D were in cahoots from the early go.
05:07
troy_s
How the hell do you propose it gets decrypted?
05:07
Rebelj12a
Saying exactly whats there.
05:08
troy_s
Let's say you freeze the memory and get a key dump or whatever...
05:08
Rebelj12a
Random bored people with nothing better to do. You know, hackers get bored.
05:08
troy_s
And you, after many hours of work, get a suitable decryption working?
05:08
troy_s
Next week, R3D drops another firmware and boom.
05:08
troy_s
Cat and mouse with no return.
05:08
troy_s
At all.
05:09
troy_s
Easier to just not support such a shittastic move.
05:09
intracube
troy_s: but users don't -have- to update their cam firmware, right?
05:09
Rebelj12a
Well yes but to blow apart what they do. how they do it and steal the tech and code for themselves.
05:09
troy_s
intracube: Let's see... And given that the software to view your work can have a version check in it... Hrm...
05:10
troy_s
There is no magic. JPEG2000. Woo.
05:10
intracube
troy_s: I don't understand
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troy_s
Demo!
05:10
intracube
if you have a red camera with FW version where the r3d is cracked, you switch to using openR3D libs?
05:11
intracube
and DON'T upgrade FW
05:11
Rebelj12a
There is that,
05:11
troy_s
intracube hacks his camera. He can now decode his own footage. Finds flaws with footage well, because it is a R3D...
05:11
Rebelj12a
OpenLib formats and all that.
05:11
troy_s
Can't upgrade.
05:11
troy_s
Pretty much screws you. And... Even better... Don't read your Eula.
05:11
intracube
troy_s: it's not a good situation, granted
05:11
Rebelj12a
Seperate programs that sort of things. Open source versions.
05:12
troy_s
Because IIRC it explicitly forbids that behavior and your ownership of the camera is jeopardized.
05:12
troy_s
But don't quote me on it.
05:12
Rebelj12a
I dont know, that hasnt really stopped people before.
05:12
troy_s
Their EULA has changed dozens of times.
05:12
intracube
ownership of camera is jeopardized??
05:13
troy_s
I'll be blunt. You don't own that camera when it is encumbered as it is.
05:13
troy_s
And there are ridiculous EULA clauses you agree to when you add yourself to the purchase list.
05:15
Rebelj12a
The compression algorithm is wavelet jpeg2000 however it records compressed bayer data. Recording the compressed raw data possibly not the image itself? Allows for white balance, gamma, other image processing paramaters to be set in post.
05:17
Rebelj12a
Im just reading the wiki now. But in any case… it doesnt record the RGB data.
05:17
troy_s
http://philipbloom.net/2011/12/10/nomoreepic/
05:17
intracube
http://www.hdwarrior.co.uk/2011/12/10/philip-bloom-sends-his-red-epic-back/
05:17
troy_s
RGB bayer.
05:17
troy_s
Yep. And you can probably find the ridiculous EULA there too.
05:17
intracube
troy_s: yep, just read that
05:18
troy_s
It is nothing but shills and hacks.
05:18
Rebelj12a
Phillip bloom isnt rich? His name is everywhere.
05:18
troy_s
With all due respect to Mr. Fincher and his Kool-Aid
05:18
troy_s
Anyways. Bed.
05:18
Rebelj12a
night
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intracube
night
06:29
Rebelj12a
Duclos auto collimator bench or…. A bench to measure and adjust lens backfocus. I need this…
06:30
Rebelj12a
http://matthewduclos.wordpress.com/2014/06/03/the-new-duclos-autocollimator-bench/
06:30
Rebelj12a
http://www.ducloslenses.com/products/collimator?variant=474443433
06:31
Rebelj12a
Expensive but totally worth it.
06:33
Rebelj12a
And I just realize through a slurry of blog posts i’ve purchased the wrong cameras for what im doing....
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Rebelj12a
blast
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troy_s
Rebelj12a: Back focus died in the late 90s. :)
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