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 | 18:11 | BAndiT1983 | |  | 18:11 | supragyaraj |     hi g3gg0-mobile
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|  | 18:11 | BAndiT1983 |     supragyaraj: is it working now?
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 | 18:11 | BAndiT1983 | |  | 18:11 | supragyaraj |     BAndiT1983: seems like it's working for me... can g3gg0-mobile try once?
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|  | 18:12 | BAndiT1983 |     added him, hope he is there
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 | 18:12 | BAndiT1983 |  | 18:12 | BAndiT1983 |  | 18:13 | BAndiT1983 | |  | 18:13 | BAndiT1983 |     it's cumbersome to have moderation for every bit on channel, i hate spammers a lot
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|  | 18:14 | supragyaraj |     I guess manual work in such systems (which are supposed to be automated) is always a pain
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|  | 18:15 | BAndiT1983 |     time consuming
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|  | 18:16 | BAndiT1983 |     have started to implement frame server, using your code and have some ideas how to accomplish it
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|  | 18:17 | supragyaraj |     N1ce
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|  | 18:17 | BAndiT1983 |     funny stuff, using vs2017 and linux development module, which connects to slim ubuntu server VM, there it builds it and executes for debug
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|  | 18:17 | supragyaraj |     my code?
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|  | 18:17 | BAndiT1983 |     i think that many calculations can be reduced, as we know values beforehand
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|  | 18:18 | BAndiT1983 |     your prototype helped me to understand where to start with fuse, as docs are only partially helpful there
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|  | 18:18 | supragyaraj |     one in AVI-FUSE couple should not run
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|  | 18:18 | supragyaraj |     those are incomplete
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|  | 18:18 | BAndiT1983 |     have commented on it
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|  | 18:18 | BAndiT1983 |     it was my starting point first, then i have started to extract parts of avicontainer and reworking it
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|  | 18:18 | supragyaraj |     seen the issue
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|  | 18:19 | supragyaraj |     but i have lost touch with my own code :)
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|  | 18:19 | BAndiT1983 |     no problem, know this state all to well
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|  | 18:19 | BAndiT1983 |     will share my code as soon as mplayer can at least open the file
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|  | 18:19 | supragyaraj |     sure...
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|  | 18:19 | supragyaraj |     will wait for it
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|  | 18:20 | supragyaraj |     but i have to stop distro hopping finally
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|  | 18:20 | supragyaraj |     i don't like my current linux :(
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|  | 18:20 | supragyaraj |     would wait till gsoc ends
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|  | 18:20 | BAndiT1983 |     your question about offsets is simple to answer, we know number and size of frames beforehand, as we serve finite number of frames, so we should be able to pre-calculate a lot of offsets an use them, e.g. when user jumps back to some earlier frames
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|  | 18:20 | supragyaraj |     yes we can
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|  | 18:21 | supragyaraj |     its just not implemented as of yet that's all
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|  | 18:21 | BAndiT1983 |     my advice is still the same: use VMs
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|  | 18:21 | supragyaraj |     VMs are.... slow
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|  | 18:21 | BAndiT1983 |     not really, using them all the time, but maybe it depends on the CPU
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|  | 18:21 | supragyaraj |     Plus, I have windows just because of Rainbow six siege... and video editing software... Adobe CC
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|  | 18:21 | BAndiT1983 |     by the way, also testing code from Claudio in a VM, and he uses OGL and OCL
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|  | 18:21 | supragyaraj |     else it could be linux only
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|  | 18:21 | BAndiT1983 |     steamos ;)
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|  | 18:22 | danieel |     i dont hot, i gentoo 12 years :) one system to rule them all, lol :P
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|  | 18:22 | supragyaraj |     ah yes... what is steamos all about?
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|  | 18:22 | danieel |     *hop
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|  | 18:22 | BAndiT1983 |     aaaaahhhhh, gentoo user
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|  | 18:22 | g3gg0-mobile |     Ah hi
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|  | 18:22 | supragyaraj |     Hi g3gg0-mobile
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|  | 18:22 | BAndiT1983 |     gentoo is like factorio :D you have to build everything from ground up
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|  | 18:22 | g3gg0-mobile |     Didnt reize that it worked now
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|  | 18:22 | BAndiT1983 |     or for younger generation: minecraft
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|  | 18:23 | supragyaraj |     how is it different from arch for example then
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|  | 18:23 | supragyaraj |     in arch you build everything from ground up
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|  | 18:23 | g3gg0-mobile |     *realize
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|  | 18:23 | supragyaraj |     However, there was one of the distros... which did not have dependency resolution
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|  | 18:23 | supragyaraj |     was it gentoo?
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|  | 18:23 | danieel |     in gentoo you got great manuals, that teaches you a lot of stuff
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|  | 18:24 | danieel |     (gentoo wiki, and the install guide)
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|  | 18:24 | supragyaraj |     sounds like "linux from scratch" but production
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|  | 18:24 | supragyaraj |     Hey BAndiT1983, can you give voice to g3gg0?
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 | 18:25 | BAndiT1983 | |  | 18:25 | g3gg0 |     cool
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|  | 18:25 | g3gg0 |     as my daughter is crying in my arms its hard to focus
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|  | 18:26 | supragyaraj |     :)
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|  | 18:26 | BAndiT1983 |     supragyaraj: you have to weigh between a lot of customization and productivity, gentoo requires some time investment
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 | 18:27 | ChanServ |  | 18:27 | BAndiT1983 | |  | 18:34 | g3gg0 |     supragya?
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|  | 18:34 | g3gg0 |     does chat work?
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|  | 18:35 | danieel |     like without voice?
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|  | 18:35 | g3gg0 |     i mean /msg
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|  | 18:35 | supragyaraj |     haven't recieved anything after [i would not say it is low speed :D]
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|  | 18:35 | g3gg0 |     ok :)
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|  | 18:35 | supragyaraj |     could we talk here? it's logged so...
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|  | 18:35 | g3gg0 |     sure
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|  | 18:36 | supragyaraj |     i go over irc chats frequently
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|  | 18:38 | g3gg0 |     http://supragyaraj.com/dev/gsoc-2018/    Since MLV proposes a form of “sett mode†model for metadata  Q: what is "sett mode" ?  Since MLV consists of simple blocks – metadata blocks and frame blocks  Q: what are "frame blocks"?  I: RAWI doesnt have to be the second block - however it must be before the first VIDF  A low speed channel (probably a Gbe)   I: i would not say it is low speed :D
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|  | 18:38 | g3gg0 |     http://supragyaraj.com/dev/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/s13PJ0SfNXOUK3mgrooLatw.png
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|  | 18:39 | g3gg0 |     i'd clean up the lines (straighten them)
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|  | 18:40 | g3gg0 |     -> An another way to reduce the overhead of joining can be by using the multi file mlv.
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|  | 18:40 | g3gg0 |     i like this ide very much
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|  | 18:40 | g3gg0 |     *idea
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|  | 18:40 | BAndiT1983 |     i would make high-speed line thick and low-speed bold
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|  | 18:40 | g3gg0 |     right
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|  | 18:41 | supragyaraj |     Hmm, okay
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|  | 18:41 | supragyaraj |     I would look into proofreading and correcting the diagrams once more
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|  | 18:42 | supragyaraj |     I am not able to comprehend: Is this a suggestion, or something I wrote that draws the conclusion: "RAWI doesnt have to be the second block - however it must be before the first VIDF"
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|  | 18:43 | g3gg0 |     PLR - i would describe that you implemented the CDNG tag for linearization and had success with some fake values
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|  | 18:43 | supragyaraj |     okay... would include burnt out magenta pic there too. :)
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|  | 18:43 | g3gg0 |     yeah
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|  | 18:44 | g3gg0 |     its some work you've done, so mention it
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|  | 18:45 | supragyaraj |     All else see to be in place and ready for final evals then?
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|  | 18:45 | supragyaraj |     *seem
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|  | 18:46 | g3gg0 |     "An analysis of different file formats"
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|  | 18:46 | supragyaraj |     other than corrections to be done ofv
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|  | 18:46 | supragyaraj |     ofc
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|  | 18:46 | supragyaraj |     okay... should I elaborate on those more?
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|  | 18:46 | g3gg0 |     where can i see the examined formats and their dis/advantages?
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|  | 18:47 | g3gg0 |     the google spreadsheet content would look good there
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|  | 18:47 | supragyaraj |     I have been filling up the lab task for that
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|  | 18:47 | supragyaraj |     Yes, that spreadsheet
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|  | 18:48 | supragyaraj |     You suggest I add a table? or a link?
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|  | 18:48 | g3gg0 |     personally i prefer to have everything together as a single document (where it makes sense)
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|  | 18:48 | supragyaraj |     okay
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|  | 18:49 | g3gg0 |     so it would be good to extract the important bits from that spreadsheet and link to it
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|  | 18:49 | supragyaraj |     would do
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|  | 18:49 | g3gg0 |     one side note though - MLV supports compression
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|  | 18:49 | supragyaraj |     i know that :0
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|  | 18:49 | supragyaraj |     :)
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|  | 18:49 | supragyaraj |     didn't implement it though
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|  | 18:50 | g3gg0 |     LJ92 - could be added to the spreadsheet
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|  | 18:50 | supragyaraj |     JPEG98 or something right?
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|  | 18:50 | supragyaraj |     oh...
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|  | 18:50 | supragyaraj |     okay
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|  | 18:50 | g3gg0 |     lossless jpeg 92
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|  | 18:50 | supragyaraj |     would have to read it up
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|  | 18:50 | supragyaraj |     will do
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|  | 18:50 | g3gg0 |     iirc compressed size was 55-60%
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|  | 18:50 | supragyaraj |     btw... is it always 14bits at the end
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|  | 18:50 | supragyaraj |     ??
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|  | 18:51 | g3gg0 |     MLV?
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|  | 18:51 | supragyaraj |     yes
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|  | 18:51 | g3gg0 |     no, its 8-16 bits
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|  | 18:51 | supragyaraj |     CDNG output
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|  | 18:51 | danieel |     why is CNDG uncompressed? the compression is "multiple"
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|  | 18:51 | danieel |     either lossy or lossless
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|  | 18:52 | g3gg0-mobile |     Yep
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|  | 18:52 | supragyaraj |     iirc, when i did mlv_dump, it rescaled 12bpp to 14bpp
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|  | 18:52 | supragyaraj |     so is 14bpp staple?
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|  | 18:52 | g3gg0-mobile |     Also supports lj92
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|  | 18:53 | g3gg0-mobile |     Iirc adobe dng didnt support lower depths or there was some trouble with it
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|  | 18:53 | danieel |     adobe is crap :)
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|  | 18:53 | g3gg0-mobile |     Yet they defined the standards :/
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|  | 18:53 | supragyaraj |     i have seen internet raging over adobe standards... when they don't even have a camera
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|  | 18:54 | supragyaraj |     idk how that even works
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|  | 18:54 | g3gg0-mobile |     Hehe
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|  | 18:54 | danieel |     cdng wasnt put into public domain? or there was a group for that
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|  | 18:54 | danieel |     apertus was member or whaaat?
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|  | 18:55 | supragyaraj |     i don't think apertus would have been a part of any such group... :|
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|  | 18:55 | danieel |     the lossless compression is adobe supported (~ 1:1.2 ratio) anyway, BM only made the hack with the specs when you close both your eyes and say fine, we can tell it that way as well :))
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|  | 18:56 | supragyaraj |     there was a video on camera underdogs... where BM had it's own camera... along with se6astian on the same couch
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|  | 18:57 | supragyaraj |     don't remember the nae though
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|  | 18:57 | supragyaraj |     *name
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|  | 18:57 | g3gg0 |     overall i like the document and (aside of my feedback) it reflects the work youve done
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|  | 18:58 | g3gg0 |     but i have no clue if that is "good enough" for GSoC as it is my first time doing that :)
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|  | 18:58 | g3gg0 |     ah had one more note: "The low speed port transports the following important metadata blocks"
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|  | 18:59 | supragyaraj |     It should be... you could look up a few other final drafts too.
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|  | 18:59 | g3gg0 |     maybe you should describe these blocks and "map" it to metadata that axiom produces
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|  | 19:00 | supragyaraj |     this is one of the final submissions: https://github.com/CGAL/cgal/issues/2367
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|  | 19:00 | supragyaraj |     another one: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B4yUFvLvAUANLU10X19qckZ6UkE
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|  | 19:01 | supragyaraj |     final one: https://gist.github.com/uday96/1a6f97de17f33b4dbf5f55c2fb2ba2b6
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|  | 19:01 | g3gg0 |     yeah i am confident that your work will get good feedback :)
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|  | 19:01 | supragyaraj |     :)
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|  | 19:02 | supragyaraj |     I will work on your suggestions... will mail you soon with updates
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|  | 19:02 | g3gg0 |     cool, thanks
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|  | 19:02 | supragyaraj |     gg :O
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|  | 19:03 | supragyaraj |     I would leave now... late night here :)
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|  | 19:03 | g3gg0 |     okay thanks for your time
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|  | 19:03 | supragyaraj |     seems you are not getting time these days :)
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|  | 19:03 | supragyaraj |     family :)
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|  | 19:04 | g3gg0 |     (newborn + 7y old + wife + house) -> not much time else the last 3 weeks
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|  | 19:04 | supragyaraj |     I suspected
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|  | 19:04 | supragyaraj |     In any case... nice chat today
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|  | 19:05 | supragyaraj |     Will leave... Bye
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|  | 19:05 | g3gg0 |     sorry that i didnt have too much time the last three weks
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|  | 19:05 | g3gg0 |     good night
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|  | 19:05 | supragyaraj |     Good night
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|  | 19:05 | supragyaraj |     or Gute nacht
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|  | 19:05 | supragyaraj |     :)
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|  | 19:05 | g3gg0 |     right, gute nacht :)
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