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np

ah interesting

random example: http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/1207064031/rise-of-the-kage-ninja-board-game-with-detailed-mi/

:)

28K on the last day and -just- makes the target :P

iirc alex made a referrer link for the direct donations when following his link

yeah

still impressive that there is such a coincidence that on the day the most video news sites reported about ML supporting axiom, the money flow went up that massive

or planet5d etc

i guess that reached out much more people than before

having key people signed up matters and encourages others

i remember alex saying that his direct referrer made ~4k after 4 days (iirc)

nevertheless, the race isnt over yet

hitting the goal is the most important now :)

i guess you mobilized also the sensor manufacturers?

i.e. asking them if they are willing to support?

Bertl: are the apertus° + AXIOM logos/text available as .SVG files anywhere?

Bertl: http://thndl.com/how-dng-compresses-raw-data-with-lossless-jpeg92.html could make it into MLV format

Andrew Baldwin made a really good MLV viewer and is trying to find a good RAW compression algorithm

g3gg0: yeah, the problem with lossless compression is that you still have to plan for full bandwidth

you cannot rely on its success

this codec doesnt make it into ML firmware

we probably want something small which can be put into the FPGA

that's the only way to make it reasonably fast

define hardware h.264 encoders

I guess most of them will max out at 30 or 60fps

gn8 altogether

g3gg0: night :)

you would want to split the image in sectors

yes, the chips would have to be running intra-frame mode

Bertl: wouldn't that be more complex to recombine back to a single stream?

as I doubt many media players (software or hardware) would handle a 300fps stream

Bertl: http://www.soctechnologies.com/piece.php?Id=191

that's proprietary IP

Bertl: I guess most hardware encoders would be IP :/

that's not a hardware part

and you have to sign an NDA for that and pay big bucks to be able to use it, but you won't get any source

hmm

same IP issues there?

so, can't say very much right now, the leaflet doesn't give away too much

hey, it's you lenny! :)

it's i

it is bert1

no, actually it is BertL (get a decent client :)

#couriernew

lol, if i want to ping someone i type a couple letters and hit tab so that should work Bertl

yup, same here ...

http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Nintendo-3DS-XL1.jpg

hehe

yes, it is looking good

as theyre uncentred, if that wasnt clear :p

hellos

many hellos

i came to hang up paper streamers :D

can i have one?

tease us with these paper streamers and then not share!

permaban!

=)

i've been following the project for quite some time

looks great so far. can't wait to have it in my hands

i'll put it on my drone and try to take over the world... just kidding =)

and sorry for my bad english... i'm from germany

I'm not a native english speaker either, so no need to apologize

no, not really :)

that video is unavailable with safety mode enabled

whens inspector rex come in

is there an estimated weight of the system already? *points at the beta concept model*

not really, we did a few checks on the electronics side, but as the case/mount materials are still undecided, it's problematic

the MicroZed is about 45g, the Beta PCB with parts and socket will be about the same

mount and case can go between 50g and 500g I guess, depending on the materials used

(the nikkor lens we used on the Alpha has about 170g)

so if you want to use a quad copter or similar you probably want to avoid a heavy case and use light materials for lens mount and lens system, and of course, high density batteries

nice! anyway, I'm off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!

sleep well

what about duck tape? :D

even: you're interested in the axiom for drone use?

what drone are you flying now?

whoops sorry

it's not completly done yet but mostly =)

i was planning to buy a 5dm3

but i'm pretty confident that this project will be awesome in a few years. the possibilities are endless

a live streaming module would be dope

noted :D

axiom should be much nicer for drone flying than epic

what will you be doing for gimbal controller?

was just tuning a gimbal with one of those

be very conscientious about IMU wire length

sec have to look

Had some problems using frame IMU with the RCTimer one

otherwise seemed to work great until it came to tuning the yaw axis

that particular one was using the NEX, don't remember what motors

but that was just tuning an existing gimbal

nice!

i really like the mövis but the prices are insane

so the axiom is pretty darn interesting

hmm...the cinestar really could have more lifting capacity

http://vimeo.com/94871761 =)

the look reminds me of The New World

have a look at that one i love the flying shots http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ_IQS3VKjA

beautiful gopro footage aside

96.5k \o/

danieel, I guess it's always better to have actual sample files, since you never know what a specific sensor will bring in reality. It might be interesting to see if the software side strategies can be reused for different sensors.

we found a lot of strange things on the live 4k setup we have now

that's what alexML required

yes, that is why there are two components of FPN

Thank you for adding a third batch of the super35's. I just heard about the project from Magic Lantern and made my contribution almost immediately after.

Do you know if VAT will be added on to orders shipped to USA?

yeah, result from cutting down the video, we filmed the KAC but not the CMV at this time

nnailer : it shouldn't.

Cool. One less thing for my wife to freak out about :)

:-)

nnailer: we still have to figure out the best way to get everything to the users

for example it might be "better" to order all the MicroZed (or PicoZed) designated for the US, within the US

Good morning.

morning! :)

Is there a getting started section for new developers to get up to speed on contributing?

I don't know where to start. I am a developer by trade though and I would like to contribute.

https://apertus.org/contribute

though non technical details related

nnailer: what have you been developing so far?

nnailer: not yet, but a bug/feature tracker is in the works

Currently an IVR developer primarily working with C, VXML, Java, and Javascript.

I've dabbled with ladder logic, stepper motors and such. Not much experience outside of that.

whare are we on the bugtracker side btw?

Primarily windows and linux.

okay, sounds good ... my suggestion would be to get a Zynq based development board which can be reused for the Beta later and get comfortable with that first

I've worked with FFMPEG code in the past and wrote FLIC rendering into SDL among other things.

yeah, SDL is nice, I've been using it for many things, but I do not see an application there right now

yeah I was referring to software on both sides

current status on bugtracker: we used buggenie in the past, good user experience but it unfortunately was not really ready for production sites - got flooded with spam and has pretty much no countermeasures so we had to close it again; I am hesitant to deploy something like bugzilla because its a total overkill for our target audience as it will consists of a lot of non-software developers so we need to make sure the system is easy to navigate and re

we should test buggenie though maybe they fixed it by now

se6astian: I had good experiences with bugzilla, it is rather straight forward

Any specific model that I should get Bertl?

but we also plan a Beta variant using the new PicoZed 7015

and we plan to make another variant based on the Parallella board

what will the PB do?

parallella board

danieel: mostly processing image data I guess

philippej, it mostly depends on what you as a project want and need to get out of the software .

phabricator has really nice patch review and in is a lot more then just a bugtracker

(but consider the 7020 version for the MicroZed, it has more I/Os)

Thanks Bertl

philippej, yes

(sorry, pressed return too soon :-) )

since developpers usually have some special abilities to use non straightforward tools

philippej, it was made by facebook people i think they even use it

i.e. notifications about updates at least and email replies would be highly appreciated

I have to take off for now. I will place my order for the 7020 and stop back in soon. Thanks again for this awesome work. I hope to help in the near future.

inbound email documented here : https://secure.phabricator.com/book/phabricator/article/configuring_inbound_email/

gn8 =)

over 97k!

see you later

98k \o/

will make

Done the Mega :)

just for the T-shirt lol

with some ridges on the outside it doubles as a capable heatsink and grip for holding the camera

hiyas! congrats on reaching the 98k!! and random greetings from canada. taking the plane home tonight and looking forward to see how the campaign ends :)

coming home with 1.5 tera of ML raw video ... i wonder how i will cope with 4k raw with the axiom ^^;

cya tomorrow

98.6k, getting closer

sent mail to my other videographer aquaintance

Bertl: if you want to provide a1ex raw images he can use to determine sensor quality, there are various methods to do so

b) total uniform gray shots without any visible pattern. doable with e.g. a tissue over the lens pointing into sky (of course no focus at all) also at different ISOs

i think if he can get hands on these raw images, he can run his statistics tools and present you DxO-Mark like results :)

yeah, that was the idea, danieel can you do that?

I was thinking about doing some stats too, but didn't get around to it yet.

alluring 99%

back

nah :)

erm I mean *fond :)

I read on heise there is great demand for it!

Congrats se6astian / Bertl

g3gg0: You can profile without the full sensor diffuse white and a light trap for black.

This allows the resultant LUT or matrix to span the full range, with proper correct values.

The resultant profile will almost always likely be a skewed mess.

seems that there is no such functionality easily available

Just use OCIO and OIIO's tools. Lean and weaponized.

(And utterly configurable)

danieel: Then use OCIO / OIIO. Want me to set up a config for you?

no.. i wanted to do it as an effect

Say what?

Q_: yes there are 8 dead pixels AFAIR

I think I see 5?

I guess so too.

danieel: Hell, you could do it in Blender if you wanted.

danieel: Then set up a view. Done.

Dead simple.

danieel: OCIO can be online ;)

You won't get tetrahedral interp, but you can demo it (and CDL) using the GPU.

But a matrix is kind of crap.

no i did not, i wanted to mess with the channels with a matrix

hi everybody

danieel: Unless it is a creative twist, but that would slug in after the camera transform.

964 euros and we'll finaly be able to work on the pong appliance

se6astian: How is your plan looking? 100k € doesn't buy a lot of time for certain.

what is the weirdeness?

The first 2 rows have all samples zero (except 2), the other rows have around 100 pixels zero at the start and end of each row.

I guess you could also see that on images that a1ex made.

I know

evening daFred!

Any idea where that pattern comes from?

se6astian: material cost for my kac model is ~ 4000e, and it can record 4k video and has sdi link :) so i wonder what did cost 10k on the alpha

besides, not everybody is as efficient as you are :)

whose F5 button already broke?

reload the indiegogo page

danieel: mainly booze

just take the 600 EUR perk and do a single reload :)

Se6astian I think it's time to make special offer for the Platinum Deluxe pay one, take two

(talking about that : https://vimeo.com/107801527 )

philippej: reminded me of Upstream Color

wescotte: no refunds, we already used your 5€ for buying rocket fuel for our escape!

woah, so close!

goal reached!

!!!!!!!

woooooo! :)

congratulations people

\o/

congrats guys

you guys rock :D

€100,136EUR raised of €100,000 goal !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am sooooooooooo happy for all of us :-)

congratulations

thanks, but we are already working on the Beta :p

hehe, no, I was just clicking reload at the right time, i.e. right after we passed the goal :)

Et voila.

moved up the stretch goals in the campaign site

i like the idea of backers funding the development, not prepaying for a future product

and gaining a discount in the process

Those who already know are onboard, but it might win over more people who are only videographers atm

buttons?

Roberto Schaefer, ASC just emailed me: "right on! I'll chill one here too." (champagne)

the buttorn perk

aombk: I guess as soon as possible, right when the campaign is over or so ... involves some logistics

right beside me ... a few months in the future :)

yeah, have a good night philippe!

Bertl: Are there any of the shots in raw format out there? I need it for testing memory and such.

I mean, why not simply take a raw or two and repeat them (forever)

I could repeat them

Bertl: Not fussy, but something with a human in it would be great.

because transferring a 4k raw image takes about 10 seconds on the Alpha

(maybe sebastian has done other time lapse tests)

Bertl: Anything than a fricking still of an IT8 LOL

takes about 10 minutes per frame to upload

Bertl: Love you. Thanks.

Or is the crimp at the upload side?

but in a few seconds, you have already 3 frames :)

Congrats, great day :)

ok long day already