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| 03:43 | Bertl | off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
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| 07:13 | se6astian | morning
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| 12:39 | Bertl | morning folks!
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| 13:42 | se6astian | hi there
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| 14:12 | philippej | anyone wants to discuss the crowdfunding video for Beta ?
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| 14:31 | se6astian | not a lot going on here :)
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| 14:32 | se6astian | lets just prepare everything for the "voice of the community" thing
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| 14:32 | se6astian | firefox once did something like that
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| 14:32 | philippej | yep
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| 14:32 | philippej | For me apertus° is [...]
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| 14:32 | Bertl | what do you expect, no real discussion for a few weeks now ...
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| 14:32 | philippej | kind of thing
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| 14:33 | se6astian | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjWhTdB9pAM
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| 14:33 | philippej | it will return (the conversation) eu grant took all the blood
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| 14:34 | philippej | interesting
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| 14:37 | Bertl | IMHO for beta we should focus on the fact that folks (mostly developers) can run their software on axiom and extend the hardware with their own designs, etc
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| 14:37 | philippej | extendability, openess
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| 14:37 | philippej | ?
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| 14:38 | Bertl | of course, it doesn't hurt to emphasize that it will also be suitable as device itself
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| 14:38 | Bertl | i.e. you do not need to hack on it, you can just use the hacks of others ....
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| 14:39 | philippej | how can we show this, instead of just saying it ?
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| 14:39 | philippej | is it visual enough the upload of the firmware, or some code or ?
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| 14:40 | Bertl | maybe the april fools joke is a good way to show that?
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| 14:40 | philippej | looks at arduino website : Arduino is an open-source electronics prototyping platform based on flexible, easy-to-use hardware and software. It's intended for artists, designers, hobbyists and anyone interested in creating interactive objects or environments.
| | 14:40 | Bertl | i.e. build a controller and plug it into the camera
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| 14:41 | Bertl | write some FPGA and ARM code, run it on the camera
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| 14:43 | philippej | right
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| 14:51 | se6astian | good news: the alpha colors are calibrated now to a state where I can say, good enough for now :)
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| 14:52 | Bertl | excellent!
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| 14:54 | se6astian | I also tried subtracting an averaged dark frame
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| 14:54 | se6astian | but the truth is that in most shots the FPN is so difficult to see at all that I also have trouble to see if it gets better with the subtraction or not ;)
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| 14:55 | Bertl | btw, I remember that the green mineral water bottle was really nice ...
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| 14:56 | Bertl | with a little condensed water on the outside and the bubbles on the inside, and focus change between both
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| 14:56 | Bertl | (looked very nice)
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| 14:57 | se6astian | in prague, yes
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| 14:57 | se6astian | good idea
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| 15:18 | philippej | great!
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| 15:18 | philippej | and when you push the "dynamic range" do you get more noticeable noise? (with knees)
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| 15:23 | se6astian | yes, fpn gets stronger in those regions
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| 15:23 | se6astian | but thats not compensatable at th moment
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| 15:25 | philippej | bbl see you
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| 15:53 | troy_s_ | se6astian Bertl Greets. HDMI out is different eh?
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| 15:54 | Bertl | of course, a snapshot (raw data) will not go through the output pipeline
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| 15:55 | Bertl | i.e. neither the color matrix nor the gamma luts will be applied
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| 15:55 | troy_s_ | Bertl: how to use the profile then?
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| 15:56 | Bertl | I think sebastian is using it for post processing the raw data
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| 15:57 | troy_s_ | Bertl: is there a way to use it on the HDMI out?
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| 15:57 | Bertl | yes, via the matrix and the gamma luts (in the output pipeline)
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| 15:58 | troy_s_ | Bertl: so what is se6astian having issues with?
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| 15:59 | Bertl | I don't think he has issues at all ... but I might be wrong
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| 16:01 | troy_s_ | Bertl: did you apply the shaper before or after matrix?
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| 16:01 | Bertl | the shaper being the linearization unit?
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| 16:01 | se6astian | no issues, its all fine now :)
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| 16:02 | Bertl | troy_s_: if so, that is in the input pipeline, so it applies to both, the snapshot and the hdmi output
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| 16:02 | troy_s_ | se6astian: so it worked??
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| 16:09 | se6astian | as I wrote in the email I created a new ICC from the HDMI footage
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| 16:10 | se6astian | now with that one I can get good results yes
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| 16:11 | troy_s_ | Did you use colprof and scanin?
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| 16:21 | troy_s_ | se6astian: Just remember that your output target needs to be 709 / sRGB primaries and bt.1886 transfer curve for the HDMI
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| 16:23 | se6astian | I used lprof
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| 16:24 | troy_s_ | Doesn't matter
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| 16:25 | troy_s_ | se6astian: ICCs always use an intermediate space (in most cases XYZ with assumed D50)
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| 16:26 | troy_s_ | se6astian: LUTs and matrix color management can use the data, but they must manually go _to_ their destinations.
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| 16:27 | troy_s_ | se6astian: Bertl can probably help you go from the XYZ to the proper primaries for 709 and bt.1886
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| 21:26 | se6astian | good night
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