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se6astian
meeting starts in 2 h
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RexOrCine
Meeting meeting meeting.
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se6astian
30 minutes
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RexOrCine
Meeting alert!
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se6astian
12 minutes!!!
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Kjetil
It's the final countdown!
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davidak
meeting in 5 minutes
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se6astian
tadadataaa
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RexOrCine
Bing Bong noise!
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RexOrCine
https://www.flickr.com/photos/matthewcornell/5057180611
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se6astian
:)
17:00
se6astian
so welcome to this weeks team meeting
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se6astian
and the first since a month... with attendees!
17:01
se6astian
so like always please pm me now if you have things to report/say
17:02
se6astian
a big topic beside the reports is the naming scheme that was shared in emails already
17:03
RexOrCine
Everyone familiar with the challenge there?
17:03
Bertl
btw, there is an easy solution to the 'I'll wait for the Axiom IV' problem
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se6astian
and todays meeting marks the inner circle that we want to use to find a final choice/decision
17:03
Bertl
just start with the highest number first and count down :)
17:03
se6astian
:P
17:04
davidak
Bertl: like canon? :D
17:04
RexOrCine
So the AXIOm Beta Submarine would be AXIOM Beta -I.
17:04
Bertl
better, for example, the Axiom Beta Googol :)
17:04
RexOrCine
AXIOM Beta Googol? AXIOM Beta Gargoil more like.
17:04
se6astian
see https://pics.me.me/xbox-xbox-360-xbox-one-xbox-one-x-xbox-one-23272016.png
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se6astian
or https://i0.wp.com/nerdbastards.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/xbox_one_359stepsback_meme.png
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RexOrCine
"I'm a CEO"
17:05
davidak
hahaha
17:05
se6astian
anyway, lets solve the naming as last topic
17:05
davidak
so al lot of mistakes to make
17:06
se6astian
davidak: wants to report about 34C3 plans first, please go ahead
17:06
davidak
At 32C3 (2015) Matthias Tarasiewicz (parasew) presented the apertus° project.
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davidak
so i think we should participate and give an update on our development
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davidak
since there should be a lot of people interested in open hardware and art
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davidak
so i'm planning an assembly for apertus where we can demo an AXIOM Beta and talk about the project
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davidak
the assembly is officially registered https://events.ccc.de/congress/2017/wiki/index.php/Assembly:Apertus
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davidak
it would be nice if more community members will participate in the assembly
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davidak
so we can have shifts
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davidak
and have also time go visit other projects assemblies and talks
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davidak
when you are interested, leave a comment here
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davidak
https://lab.apertus.org/T713
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davidak
or when you have ideas what we can do there
17:10
Bertl
sounds good
17:11
davidak
thats all from my side
17:12
se6astian
great, many thanks
17:12
se6astian
anyone else with topics?
17:12
Bertl
davidak: if you know the date and time, I can probably be available via phone to answer questions if required
17:12
RexOrCine
There's no dates in the thread.
17:13
Bertl
(or IRC of course ;)
17:13
davidak
it will be 27-30.12
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se6astian
quick update from my side: currently at the assembly office creating a pcb cleaning machine that sways cleaning liquid left and right and that way splashes it on pcbs to be cleaned from an old 3d printer base
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RexOrCine
Fixed thread.
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se6astian
I made good progress with the full enclosure cad 3d model and started 3d printing first parts today
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davidak
great
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RexOrCine
Did you take pictures?
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se6astian
not yet
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se6astian
will continue the next 2 days
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se6astian
other than that more of the same: more pcbs assembled, etc.
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se6astian
right then lets get to the naming scheme!
17:17
se6astian
let me look at the current state of the google doc
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se6astian
I am not entirely sure how we should proceed now, so I need your help
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se6astian
there are some summaries, opinions and preferences marked in the google doc
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davidak
i have no real favorite for the bigrig :/
17:19
se6astian
so far for ABII "Core" and "Compact" are most voted for
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se6astian
for ABIII its a bit harder to judge
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se6astian
beside "extended" with 2 votes everyone prefers something different
17:20
davidak
i tried to speak the names to get a feeling if it sounds good
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davidak
and represents the model
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se6astian
I would have loved to get many votes from people on the team mailing list
17:21
RexOrCine
Well maybe concentrate on abbreviations RE who things sound. Is anyone against using abbreviations?
17:21
Bertl
what are the plans to handle development (given there is some)?
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RexOrCine
how*
17:21
davidak
so there are probably not many people reading
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se6astian
Bertl: what are the plans to handle development (given there is some)? <- please elaborate?
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Bertl
well, we have shipped about 10 different versions of the Axiom Beta Dev Kit so far
17:22
RexOrCine
"so there are probably not many people reading" There's not really much we can do about that David. An email was sent out, so...
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Bertl
and I'm not talking about variations in the plugin selection
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Bertl
the basic idea of the AXIOM camera was to keep it evolving
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Bertl
we've done a pretty good job with that for the Beta Dev Kit so far, with about 30 revisions for most of the boards
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davidak
so just use the hash of the gut commit :D
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davidak
*git
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RexOrCine
It should be noted that we're just talking about the names of the enclosures here essentially.
17:24
Bertl
maybe they will evolve too, no?
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Bertl
(at least I hope so :)
17:24
se6astian
currently the hardware that goes into dev kit, ABII and ABIII is essentially identical
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se6astian
but of course in the future there would be room to evolve into different directions here
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RexOrCine
I had thought of that yeah. But how often would new versions of enclosures come around? Leading me to think that enclosure versions could be denoted by year e.g. AXIOM Beta CP 2019.
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se6astian
but I would keep hardware and enclosure separated in the naming scheme also in the future
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se6astian
if we for example decide to create an audio pcb, we could just call it AXIOM Audio Board V1 R1
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se6astian
no matter into which enclosure it would go
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davidak
and the current camera without enclosure is the axiom camera stack?
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davidak
a stack of pcbs
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Bertl
we currently call it the Dev Kit
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RexOrCine
Without enclosure it's AXIOM Beta.
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davidak
yes, sure
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se6astian
correct
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se6astian
rex rightfully noted that we should not call the skeleton an "enclosure" as it doesnt really enclose anything
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se6astian
it just "holds together"
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se6astian
so the dev kit has "no enclosure"
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Bertl
I agree, never considered the skeleton an enclosure myself
17:29
davidak
same
17:29
se6astian
great, I think we all agree :)
17:30
RexOrCine
Something I said earlier "I love the idea of women's names. But pursuing that would draw out the decision making and it would also spoil things for any independents who might wanna design their own enclosures down the line." This is what leads me to prefer identity's like CP or EX or DK, because they're utility names really. I prefer the idea of leaving more elaborate names to the users.
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se6astian
any reasoning for "Core" vs "compact", what are the pros and cons of both these options
17:30
se6astian
pro for compact
17:31
se6astian
1. it can be nicely abbreviated as rex noted with "CP"
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davidak
- it's somewhat compact :D
17:31
se6astian
2. it refers to compact cameras which have similar form factor and design
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Bertl
compact sounds 'small but feature rich' where core sounds 'only essential'
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se6astian
3. it puts emphasis on the enclosure option being rather well "compact" as in small
17:32
se6astian
good point bertl
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se6astian
any cons for compact?
17:32
Bertl
not saying that 'core' is a bad choice though
17:33
RexOrCine
I've tried hard and I can't really think of any.
17:33
se6astian
I noted that "compact cameras" as in photography cameras are much thinner (maybe 2cm) than what we want to call "compact" (7+cm) so it might backfire as joke...
17:33
davidak
as you said it's not that small like a compact camera
17:33
RexOrCine
Nah.
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se6astian
another thing is that it might be directly associated with being a still camera
17:34
RexOrCine
Compact is a ubiquitous term for small technologies.
17:34
Bertl
maybe use a word describing the shape then ... like 'cube' or 'banana' :)
17:35
davidak
THE AXIOM BRICK
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Bertl
likes it!
17:36
davidak
just a joke. a sony F55 looks more like a brick than our bigrig concept
17:36
se6astian
what happened to "toaster"
17:36
davidak
haha
17:36
se6astian
ah no thats already taken by the magic company
17:36
se6astian
ok any pros/cons for "core"
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RexOrCine
First thing that comes to mind with me and core is apple core, something that generally gets disposed of. A lot of people eat apples. Itâs also synonymous with an electronic, internal component (Paul remarked on this at one point IIRC).
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davidak
the camera is the core of a rig
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davidak
what means it's the most important part
17:38
davidak
without a sensor you will have no image
17:39
RexOrCine
Aye but the camera is in all enclosures.
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se6astian
core could in that sense be confusing that its exactly not the electronics that make up the core but an enclosure around core hardware
17:41
davidak
good point
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Bertl
is there a reason to name the cameras different if there is the same hardware in all of them?
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Bertl
(assuming there is of course :)
17:43
se6astian
its not the name of the camera but the enclosure we are trying to find
17:43
Bertl
so why not name them like we name other components like shields or plugins
17:43
RexOrCine
It's not the camera (AXIOM Beta) that's getting named, it's the enclosures i.e. AXIOM Beta Compact / AXIOM Beta Developer Kit
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Bertl
i.e. Enclosure V1.0 R1.1
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Bertl
Funny Enclosure, Big Enclosure, Compact Enclosure V1.x
17:44
se6astian
thats the idea
17:45
Bertl
and then have an Axiom Beta with Power Board v2.0 and Compact Enclosure v1.2
17:45
davidak
Compact Enclosure and Ergonomic Enclosure
17:45
se6astian
but as the enclosure is the "only" thing people see when they see a picture of the camera they associate the entire thing with that name
17:46
se6astian
internally I would just give whatever name we come up with for the enclosure Version and revision numbers
17:46
Bertl
well, we have to change that then
17:46
se6astian
and even subnumbers as multiple parts will make up any enclosure
17:46
davidak
same with computers for example. they have the same case but different specs
17:47
se6astian
basically we are trying to find names for PC products like "laptop" or "desktop" currently
17:47
se6astian
the insides are similar
17:47
se6astian
the form factor is different
17:47
se6astian
but everone just calls it "laptop"
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RexOrCine
Exactly.
17:47
se6astian
and it doesnt really say what actual hardware is inside
17:47
davidak
so what are big cameras called on film sets?
17:47
RexOrCine
Rigs.
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RexOrCine
(I think)
17:48
RexOrCine
Generally rigs.
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se6astian
well the rig is the assembly of camera and other accessories
17:49
se6astian
there is no name for the camera other than "camera"
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davidak
blackmagic design calls teir models "production camera" and "studio camera"
17:50
se6astian
also rather blurry names
17:50
Bertl
sounds like outside/everywhere and inside only to me
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Bertl
(but I'm not a camera person :)
17:51
se6astian
those names reflect the featureset of the cameras a bit
17:51
se6astian
as the studio camera has no internal recording for example
17:51
se6astian
but lets not get into bm details
17:52
davidak
yeah
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davidak
just an example
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Bertl
maybe color encode the enclosures and use that ... the 'Axiom Beta Green' or 'Axiom Beta Blue' :)
17:53
davidak
so in what situations would you want a BETA III?
17:53
RexOrCine
Multiple.
17:54
davidak
to have everything in one (recorder, audio, ...)?
17:54
davidak
to have a havier rig for better ergonomy?
17:54
RexOrCine
Aye it's more about the extended features.
17:54
se6astian
color encode would work I guess, problem is that there is camera company called "red"...
17:55
Bertl
we do not have to use the color red *G*
17:55
RexOrCine
Not the best idea. People are colour blind.
17:55
davidak
you can't tell what the model blue is, so the name says nothing
17:55
Bertl
Pink?
17:55
se6astian
yeah using red as color code is off the table definitely but imagine we call the camera "blue", everyone will think its a knockoff from the camera "red"
17:56
davidak
we shoot on a blue epic :)
17:56
davidak
sounds stupid
17:57
RexOrCine
Oh right just the names. I though you meant actually colour code the enclosures.
17:57
Bertl
yeah, I mean color coding enclosures and using the corresponding name
17:58
RexOrCine
Keeping it literal it's about what it is, what it offers, and that's extended features.
17:58
davidak
i think we should only use very few color elements in our brand color
17:58
davidak
like the name badge
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se6astian
meeting is 1h now, just mentioning so we keep the goal in focus :)
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davidak
RexOrCine: then Compact Enclosure and Extended Enclosure?
17:59
se6astian
I think I favor "compact" over "core" now,
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se6astian
the names should work together, compact/extended does
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se6astian
how do you feel about core vs compact, what makes slightly more sense to you?
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davidak
but extended enclosure doesn't fit well as AXIOM Beta Extended
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davidak
i would now also prefer compact
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se6astian
AXIOM Beta CP and AXIOM Beta XT ?
18:02
RexOrCine
I'd probably agree, for the reasons I outlined in the comments, but then, what does? Because 'Expansion' doesn't feel great either. So it starts to come down to whether or not we're comfortable with abbreviations.
18:02
davidak
why do we search for meaningful namen and then hide them?
18:02
davidak
we could try random characters and see what looks nice :D
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davidak
XC PK QZ GG
18:02
RexOrCine
From comments:
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RexOrCine
"On âExtendedâ and Arri XT - The shorthand for the word extended and extension is âExtâ in fact, so, we could abbreviate in the proper way and not overlap with Arri in that sense. On the subject of whether abbreviations should be used, it would probably come in useful. A good example of why can be found in this scenario âAbove: AXIOM Beta Extended recorder conceptâ - In this situation, which would be one of dozens, thereâs the i
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RexOrCine
mplication of âExtended Recorderâ. If the abbreviation was used then âAbove: AXIOM Beta EXT Recorder conceptâ would be more readable."
18:03
se6astian
we do not hide them, but I also write MB when I mean AXIOM Beta Main Board in tables, lists, etc.
18:03
se6astian
so its good to know that the abbreviation works
18:03
RexOrCine
But then after what Sebastian said I started preferring EX instead of EXT. And I'm not keen on XT as it has Arri connotations
18:04
RexOrCine
Yeah abbreviations and full words would be useful in different situations.
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davidak
i think we should have !Enclosure" in the name of the enclosure
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davidak
to make it clear
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RexOrCine
But with abbreviations it would be good that they weren't just random, like ZR or something.
18:05
davidak
apertus° AXIOM Beta Compact Enclosure and apertus° AXIOM Beta Extended Enclosure
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Bertl
Axiom Beta XXX
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RexOrCine
AXIOM Beta Mega?
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davidak
i don't like the Extended there. it don't sound nice
18:06
Bertl
Meta, Super, Hyper let me see what other keys I can find ...
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RexOrCine
Super Double?
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davidak
i suggested Grand
18:07
davidak
what associations do you have with that?
18:07
Bertl
a car
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Bertl
a hotel
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RexOrCine
AXIOM Beta Super Double Super Light, ABSDSL.
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davidak
The AXIOM Grand Hotel
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RexOrCine
AXIOM Chat Line.
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RexOrCine
0800 AXIOM.
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se6astian
a piano
18:08
davidak
ok, throw in more english words
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RexOrCine
Grand Larceny.
18:09
RexOrCine
Head of HR wants a word.
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davidak
no words left?
18:10
se6astian
http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/big?s=t
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RexOrCine
For Grand?
18:10
se6astian
jumbo
18:10
se6astian
mammoth
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se6astian
husky
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se6astian
whopper :)
18:11
RexOrCine
Jumbo Super Double.
18:11
davidak
AXIOM fat enclosure
18:11
RexOrCine
Beta Battenberg.
18:11
RexOrCine
AXIOM Fat Lummox
18:11
RexOrCine
AXIOM Slack Alice.
18:12
davidak
just "Large Enclosure"?
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RexOrCine
Extra Large Ribbed
18:13
davidak
that is more than mildly amusing right now
18:13
RexOrCine
(There the ones I get)
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Kjetil
AXIOM YourMomma
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RexOrCine
Throbbing Beta
18:15
davidak
hey Kjetil, welcome to the party
18:15
Kjetil
I couldn't help myself
18:16
davidak
we are searching names for our enclosure
18:16
davidak
AXIOM Beta heavy Enclosure
18:16
RexOrCine
Current favourite is AXIOM Beta Battenberg
18:16
RexOrCine
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Battenbverg&t=hg&ia=images
18:17
Kjetil
AXIOM Supermassive Black(hole)
18:18
davidak
maybe a word that describes that it is larger than the "compact" but sill had beautiful details in design and high tech features
18:18
RexOrCine
Like Extended?
18:18
davidak
"large" is not really special
18:19
davidak
it's also quiet a simple word
18:19
davidak
i would like something more precise
18:20
RexOrCine
Extended?
18:20
RexOrCine
It's solid I know. I've been at it for three days.
18:21
RexOrCine
Thinking up names.
18:21
davidak
extensive
18:21
RexOrCine
Aye been there. Extended, Expanded, Expansion, Extension, you name it.
18:23
Bertl
misspellings and reduction are modern ... so that should be
18:23
se6astian
so how can we arrive at a viable choice?
18:23
Bertl
Xtended, Xpanded, ...
18:23
RexOrCine
The issue for me with Extended is what would we abbreviate it to?
18:23
Bertl
that's also something which could be trade marked :)
18:24
davidak
would you like the compact or extended enclosure?
18:24
RexOrCine
EX, EXT, or XT,
18:24
se6astian
it could also leave out the "ed" at the end to command users "Xtend", "Xpand" , etc.
18:24
RexOrCine
mmm
18:24
davidak
is something you could say
18:25
Bertl
Axiom Beta Xpand has definitely a special ring ...
18:25
se6astian
the abbreviation "XP" hasnt been used since windows and role playing games so that could work I guess
18:25
intrac
I like Arri's abbreviations - eg Alexa XT
18:25
se6astian
haha
18:25
se6astian
go home intrac :D
18:25
intrac
huh?
18:25
se6astian
na joking
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se6astian
but we have been there
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se6astian
some time ago
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intrac
yeah, I've been reading :)
18:26
intrac
just giving my vote for that
18:26
RexOrCine
intrac is absolutely mad about abbreviations I know that for a fact.
18:26
davidak
i like EX, like the Sony EX-3
18:27
RexOrCine
Aaah. You had to ruin it davidak. Didn't think it had been done.
18:27
se6astian
"AXIOM Beta Xpand" or "AXIOM Beta Xp"/"AXIOM Beta XP" does indeed not look and sound too bad
18:27
se6astian
its not an abbreviation for sony though, its just EX
18:27
se6astian
FS
18:27
intrac
XP has too much of a tie to Microsoft
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se6astian
etc
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davidak
CT and XP
18:28
se6astian
windows xp is 16 years old, I think people are not associating it anymore
18:28
RexOrCine
You're having a laugh.
18:29
intrac
our government health service is still using it afaik...
18:29
Bertl
isn't XP discontinued and not updated since some time
18:29
intrac
MS only pulled the plug, what, a couple of years ago?
18:29
se6astian
yeah I think so too
18:29
intrac
and it's still used for embedded systems
18:29
se6astian
thats windows ce
18:29
intrac
and customers paying for custom support
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davidak
Bertl: you can buy updates for a very high price i think
18:29
intrac
se6astian: no, fairly sure it's a variant of XP
18:30
intrac
for ATMs and such
18:30
RexOrCine
What you've done sebastian is you've done what I did when I first thought of AXIOM Beta Myro. Give it a little while.
18:30
Bertl
Myro?
18:30
RexOrCine
Then you'll be back to AXIOM Beta Battenberg like the rest of us.
18:31
davidak
haha
18:31
RexOrCine
Bertl don't.
18:32
Bertl
Battenberg sounds okay to me ... better than Biscuit or Sausage
18:32
RexOrCine
I'm 'this' close to turning it to orange in my choices.
18:33
RexOrCine
Added another row in doc for abbreviation prefs.
18:34
Bertl
but keep in mind, if you go with Axiom Beta Caramel, you can abbreviate to ABC :)
18:34
davidak
http://www.pro.sony.eu/pro/lang/en/eu/products/broadcast-products-camcorders-digital-motion-picture-camera
18:34
davidak
they call the F55 "compact camera"
18:36
RexOrCine
Think they call pretty much everything a compact camera.
18:36
RexOrCine
Caramel camera on the other hand, that's a patent.
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se6astian
meeting close to 2h :)
18:45
se6astian
can we do it!?
18:45
se6astian
can we find it!
18:45
se6astian
THE name?
18:45
RexOrCine
Extended?
18:45
se6astian
Xtended
18:45
se6astian
or xtend
18:45
RexOrCine
Phwar.
18:46
RexOrCine
Xtend is a verb.
18:46
RexOrCine
Extend sorry.
18:47
se6astian
totally different idea: "reel" as in film reel and because the recorder looks like a magazine?
18:47
RexOrCine
I honestly don't think it's a good idea to copy Arri on the abbreviation front.
18:47
RexOrCine
There may even be legal issues.
18:49
se6astian
"Extended"/"EX" to the vote then
18:49
se6astian
who can live with it
18:49
se6astian
who cannot live with it?
18:50
RexOrCine
We may just have to live with it.
18:51
RexOrCine
It feels better than AXIOM Beta III: Shoulder Mounted
18:51
se6astian
agreed
18:53
se6astian
and it works together with "compact"
18:53
RexOrCine
Yep. And AXIOM Beta Compact feels better than AXIOM Beta II: Production Ready.
18:54
davidak
i don't like abbreviation here, we have already enough strange words in our name
18:54
RexOrCine
We could abbreviate Compact with C, but it might be nice if we can keep a theme of two letters going for versions.
18:54
davidak
it should be something that explains exactly what it is
18:54
davidak
like compact case
18:55
davidak
and extended case
18:56
RexOrCine
It's gonna be abbreviated though David, because if we don't the names are gonna be awkward in some sentences. Shouldn't imagine they'll be abbreviated all the time, basically when we have to to make sentences sound alright.
18:57
se6astian
we will try to use the full name in our articles and co
18:57
se6astian
starting to edit the TT13.2 article now
18:57
se6astian
have to leave the office soon
18:57
RexOrCine
Another note was, I asked Sebastian if we would actually label the enclosures with these names. So, would we label the enclosures with the names or the abbreviations?
18:57
davidak
and i have to sleep. up since 29 hours
18:58
RexOrCine
Well done for making the meeting man.
18:59
davidak
a totally different thing i noticed: we started making modular cameras, now everyone else does. but we now build a huge brick. why?
18:59
davidak
http://zsyst.com/2017/02/f55-vs-red-helium-8k-vs-red-dragon-6k/
18:59
davidak
just for the picture
18:59
Bertl
davidak: keep it below 8 days/ 200 hours and you should be fine :)
19:00
davidak
mondays are always hard when work starts again
19:02
se6astian
RexOrCine should we add a paragraph to the TT article about the new names
19:02
se6astian
I replaced them all in the text/headers now
19:03
RexOrCine
Oh definitely. Then probably refer C5D to it, then they can translate the message how they like.
19:03
RexOrCine
In.
19:04
se6astian
right
19:05
danieel
davidak: F55 is a compact one compared to F65 :)
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se6astian
meeting concluded
19:11
se6astian
will write minutes tomorrow
19:11
se6astian
and post to wiki
19:11
davidak
great, thanks
19:11
Bertl
thanks!
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Bertl
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se6astian
leaving the assembly office
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se6astian
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19:30
danieel
intrac: it is not ce, but Windows POS, a version of XP which still receives patches. You can turn XP into that, for this reason.. I run a computer this way
19:35
Bertl_oO
that's hardly a reason to run Microsoft Windows ...
19:36
danieel
that old OrCAD 10 wont run on anything else :) but Altium is getting the same features now.. well it too just 15 years to get on par :P
19:36
danieel
*took
19:38
intrac
danieel: yep, that's what I thought. Couldn't remember the POS acronym
19:45
jarhab[m]
a question that appeared while reading the naming sceme discussions: do we have a list of all boards / hardware components with name and revision?
19:47
jarhab[m]
and can the microzed enumerate all the boards, that are attached? (so we could build a axiom-ls tool, that lists boards with revisions)
19:51
Bertl_oO
all but the first generation power boards are equipped with some kind of storage (mostly eeprom) to hold this information, so the hardware for enumeration is there
20:01
jarhab[m]
cool
20:01
jarhab[m]
but the list is currently not there?
20:01
Bertl_oO
no
20:01
jarhab[m]
ok
20:02
jarhab[m]
btw: I would vote for AXIOM Beta L[arge] and AXIOM Beta S[mall] :)
20:02
jarhab[m]
what is currently in the EEPROMS?
20:02
jarhab[m]
and how big are they?
20:03
Bertl_oO
nothing and at least 256 bytes but typically four times as much
20:03
jarhab[m]
ah cool
20:04
jarhab[m]
maybe we could write a url to a machine readable description
20:05
jarhab[m]
are they all connected to a common bus like i2c or something similiar?
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20:06
Bertl_oO
they are connected via IIC but not on a common bus
20:21
jarhab[m]
ok thx
20:21
Bertl_oO
np
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se6astian
good night
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