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It's the final countdown!

meeting in 5 minutes

tadadataaa

https://www.flickr.com/photos/matthewcornell/5057180611

so welcome to this weeks team meeting

so like always please pm me now if you have things to report/say

Everyone familiar with the challenge there?

and todays meeting marks the inner circle that we want to use to find a final choice/decision

:P

So the AXIOm Beta Submarine would be AXIOM Beta -I.

AXIOM Beta Googol? AXIOM Beta Gargoil more like.

or https://i0.wp.com/nerdbastards.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/xbox_one_359stepsback_meme.png

hahaha

so al lot of mistakes to make

At 32C3 (2015) Matthias Tarasiewicz (parasew) presented the apertus° project.

since there should be a lot of people interested in open hardware and art

the assembly is officially registered https://events.ccc.de/congress/2017/wiki/index.php/Assembly:Apertus

so we can have shifts

when you are interested, leave a comment here

or when you have ideas what we can do there

thats all from my side

anyone else with topics?

There's no dates in the thread.

it will be 27-30.12

Fixed thread.

Did you take pictures?

will continue the next 2 days

right then lets get to the naming scheme!

I am not entirely sure how we should proceed now, so I need your help

i have no real favorite for the bigrig :/

for ABIII its a bit harder to judge

i tried to speak the names to get a feeling if it sounds good

I would have loved to get many votes from people on the team mailing list

what are the plans to handle development (given there is some)?

so there are probably not many people reading

well, we have shipped about 10 different versions of the Axiom Beta Dev Kit so far

and I'm not talking about variations in the plugin selection

we've done a pretty good job with that for the Beta Dev Kit so far, with about 30 revisions for most of the boards

*git

maybe they will evolve too, no?

currently the hardware that goes into dev kit, ABII and ABIII is essentially identical

I had thought of that yeah. But how often would new versions of enclosures come around? Leading me to think that enclosure versions could be denoted by year e.g. AXIOM Beta CP 2019.

if we for example decide to create an audio pcb, we could just call it AXIOM Audio Board V1 R1

and the current camera without enclosure is the axiom camera stack?

we currently call it the Dev Kit

yes, sure

rex rightfully noted that we should not call the skeleton an "enclosure" as it doesnt really enclose anything

so the dev kit has "no enclosure"

same

Something I said earlier "I love the idea of women's names. But pursuing that would draw out the decision making and it would also spoil things for any independents who might wanna design their own enclosures down the line." This is what leads me to prefer identity's like CP or EX or DK, because they're utility names really. I prefer the idea of leaving more elaborate names to the users.

pro for compact

- it's somewhat compact :D

compact sounds 'small but feature rich' where core sounds 'only essential'

good point bertl

not saying that 'core' is a bad choice though

I noted that "compact cameras" as in photography cameras are much thinner (maybe 2cm) than what we want to call "compact" (7+cm) so it might backfire as joke...

Nah.

Compact is a ubiquitous term for small technologies.

THE AXIOM BRICK

just a joke. a sony F55 looks more like a brick than our bigrig concept

haha

ok any pros/cons for "core"

the camera is the core of a rig

without a sensor you will have no image

core could in that sense be confusing that its exactly not the electronics that make up the core but an enclosure around core hardware

is there a reason to name the cameras different if there is the same hardware in all of them?

its not the name of the camera but the enclosure we are trying to find

It's not the camera (AXIOM Beta) that's getting named, it's the enclosures i.e. AXIOM Beta Compact / AXIOM Beta Developer Kit

Funny Enclosure, Big Enclosure, Compact Enclosure V1.x

and then have an Axiom Beta with Power Board v2.0 and Compact Enclosure v1.2

but as the enclosure is the "only" thing people see when they see a picture of the camera they associate the entire thing with that name

well, we have to change that then

same with computers for example. they have the same case but different specs

the insides are similar

but everone just calls it "laptop"

and it doesnt really say what actual hardware is inside

Rigs.

Generally rigs.

there is no name for the camera other than "camera"

also rather blurry names

(but I'm not a camera person :)

as the studio camera has no internal recording for example

yeah

maybe color encode the enclosures and use that ... the 'Axiom Beta Green' or 'Axiom Beta Blue' :)

Multiple.

to have a havier rig for better ergonomy?

color encode would work I guess, problem is that there is camera company called "red"...

Not the best idea. People are colour blind.

Pink?

we shoot on a blue epic :)

Oh right just the names. I though you meant actually colour code the enclosures.

Keeping it literal it's about what it is, what it offers, and that's extended features.

like the name badge

RexOrCine: then Compact Enclosure and Extended Enclosure?

the names should work together, compact/extended does

but extended enclosure doesn't fit well as AXIOM Beta Extended

AXIOM Beta CP and AXIOM Beta XT ?

why do we search for meaningful namen and then hide them?

XC PK QZ GG

"On ‘Extended’ and Arri XT - The shorthand for the word extended and extension is ‘Ext’ in fact, so, we could abbreviate in the proper way and not overlap with Arri in that sense. On the subject of whether abbreviations should be used, it would probably come in useful. A good example of why can be found in this scenario “Above: AXIOM Beta Extended recorder concept� - In this situation, which would be one of dozens, there’s the i

we do not hide them, but I also write MB when I mean AXIOM Beta Main Board in tables, lists, etc.

But then after what Sebastian said I started preferring EX instead of EXT. And I'm not keen on XT as it has Arri connotations

i think we should have !Enclosure" in the name of the enclosure

But with abbreviations it would be good that they weren't just random, like ZR or something.

Axiom Beta XXX

i don't like the Extended there. it don't sound nice

Super Double?

what associations do you have with that?

a hotel

The AXIOM Grand Hotel

0800 AXIOM.

ok, throw in more english words

Head of HR wants a word.

http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/big?s=t

jumbo

husky

Jumbo Super Double.

Beta Battenberg.

AXIOM Slack Alice.

Extra Large Ribbed

(There the ones I get)

Throbbing Beta

I couldn't help myself

AXIOM Beta heavy Enclosure

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Battenbverg&t=hg&ia=images

maybe a word that describes that it is larger than the "compact" but sill had beautiful details in design and high tech features

"large" is not really special

i would like something more precise

It's solid I know. I've been at it for three days.

extensive

misspellings and reduction are modern ... so that should be

Xtended, Xpanded, ...

that's also something which could be trade marked :)

EX, EXT, or XT,

mmm

Axiom Beta Xpand has definitely a special ring ...

I like Arri's abbreviations - eg Alexa XT

go home intrac :D

na joking

some time ago

just giving my vote for that

i like EX, like the Sony EX-3

"AXIOM Beta Xpand" or "AXIOM Beta Xp"/"AXIOM Beta XP" does indeed not look and sound too bad

FS

etc

windows xp is 16 years old, I think people are not associating it anymore

our government health service is still using it afaik...

MS only pulled the plug, what, a couple of years ago?

and it's still used for embedded systems

and customers paying for custom support

se6astian: no, fairly sure it's a variant of XP

What you've done sebastian is you've done what I did when I first thought of AXIOM Beta Myro. Give it a little while.

Then you'll be back to AXIOM Beta Battenberg like the rest of us.

Bertl don't.

I'm 'this' close to turning it to orange in my choices.

but keep in mind, if you go with Axiom Beta Caramel, you can abbreviate to ABC :)

they call the F55 "compact camera"

Caramel camera on the other hand, that's a patent.

meeting close to 2h :)

can we find it!

Extended?

or xtend

Xtend is a verb.

totally different idea: "reel" as in film reel and because the recorder looks like a magazine?

There may even be legal issues.

who can live with it

We may just have to live with it.

agreed

Yep. And AXIOM Beta Compact feels better than AXIOM Beta II: Production Ready.

We could abbreviate Compact with C, but it might be nice if we can keep a theme of two letters going for versions.

like compact case

It's gonna be abbreviated though David, because if we don't the names are gonna be awkward in some sentences. Shouldn't imagine they'll be abbreviated all the time, basically when we have to to make sentences sound alright.

starting to edit the TT13.2 article now

Another note was, I asked Sebastian if we would actually label the enclosures with these names. So, would we label the enclosures with the names or the abbreviations?

Well done for making the meeting man.

http://zsyst.com/2017/02/f55-vs-red-helium-8k-vs-red-dragon-6k/

davidak: keep it below 8 days/ 200 hours and you should be fine :)

RexOrCine should we add a paragraph to the TT article about the new names

Oh definitely. Then probably refer C5D to it, then they can translate the message how they like.

right

will write minutes tomorrow

great, thanks

intrac: it is not ce, but Windows POS, a version of XP which still receives patches. You can turn XP into that, for this reason.. I run a computer this way

that old OrCAD 10 wont run on anything else :) but Altium is getting the same features now.. well it too just 15 years to get on par :P

danieel: yep, that's what I thought. Couldn't remember the POS acronym

and can the microzed enumerate all the boards, that are attached? (so we could build a axiom-ls tool, that lists boards with revisions)

cool

no

btw: I would vote for AXIOM Beta L[arge] and AXIOM Beta S[mall] :)

and how big are they?

ah cool

are they all connected to a common bus like i2c or something similiar?

they are connected via IIC but not on a common bus

np

good night