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17:27 | se6astian | 30 minutes
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17:27 | RexOrCine | Meeting alert!
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17:48 | se6astian | 12 minutes!!!
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17:50 | Kjetil | It's the final countdown!
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17:55 | davidak | meeting in 5 minutes
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17:58 | se6astian | tadadataaa
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17:59 | RexOrCine | Bing Bong noise!
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17:59 | RexOrCine | https://www.flickr.com/photos/matthewcornell/5057180611
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18:00 | se6astian | :)
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18:00 | se6astian | so welcome to this weeks team meeting
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18:00 | se6astian | and the first since a month... with attendees!
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18:01 | se6astian | so like always please pm me now if you have things to report/say
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18:02 | se6astian | a big topic beside the reports is the naming scheme that was shared in emails already
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18:03 | RexOrCine | Everyone familiar with the challenge there?
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18:03 | Bertl | btw, there is an easy solution to the 'I'll wait for the Axiom IV' problem
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18:03 | se6astian | and todays meeting marks the inner circle that we want to use to find a final choice/decision
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18:03 | Bertl | just start with the highest number first and count down :)
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18:03 | se6astian | :P
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18:04 | davidak | Bertl: like canon? :D
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18:04 | RexOrCine | So the AXIOm Beta Submarine would be AXIOM Beta -I.
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18:04 | Bertl | better, for example, the Axiom Beta Googol :)
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18:04 | RexOrCine | AXIOM Beta Googol? AXIOM Beta Gargoil more like.
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18:04 | se6astian | see https://pics.me.me/xbox-xbox-360-xbox-one-xbox-one-x-xbox-one-23272016.png
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18:05 | se6astian | or https://i0.wp.com/nerdbastards.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/xbox_one_359stepsback_meme.png
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18:05 | RexOrCine | "I'm a CEO"
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18:05 | davidak | hahaha
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18:05 | se6astian | anyway, lets solve the naming as last topic
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18:05 | davidak | so al lot of mistakes to make
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18:06 | se6astian | davidak: wants to report about 34C3 plans first, please go ahead
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18:06 | davidak | At 32C3 (2015) Matthias Tarasiewicz (parasew) presented the apertus° project.
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18:06 | davidak | so i think we should participate and give an update on our development
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18:07 | davidak | since there should be a lot of people interested in open hardware and art
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18:08 | davidak | so i'm planning an assembly for apertus where we can demo an AXIOM Beta and talk about the project
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18:08 | davidak | the assembly is officially registered https://events.ccc.de/congress/2017/wiki/index.php/Assembly:Apertus
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18:09 | davidak | it would be nice if more community members will participate in the assembly
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18:09 | davidak | so we can have shifts
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18:09 | davidak | and have also time go visit other projects assemblies and talks
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18:10 | davidak | when you are interested, leave a comment here
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18:10 | davidak | https://lab.apertus.org/T713
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18:10 | davidak | or when you have ideas what we can do there
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18:10 | Bertl | sounds good
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18:11 | davidak | thats all from my side
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18:12 | se6astian | great, many thanks
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18:12 | se6astian | anyone else with topics?
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18:12 | Bertl | davidak: if you know the date and time, I can probably be available via phone to answer questions if required
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18:12 | RexOrCine | There's no dates in the thread.
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18:13 | Bertl | (or IRC of course ;)
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18:13 | davidak | it will be 27-30.12
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18:14 | se6astian | quick update from my side: currently at the assembly office creating a pcb cleaning machine that sways cleaning liquid left and right and that way splashes it on pcbs to be cleaned from an old 3d printer base
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18:14 | RexOrCine | Fixed thread.
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18:14 | se6astian | I made good progress with the full enclosure cad 3d model and started 3d printing first parts today
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18:15 | davidak | great
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18:15 | RexOrCine | Did you take pictures?
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18:15 | se6astian | not yet
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18:16 | se6astian | will continue the next 2 days
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18:16 | se6astian | other than that more of the same: more pcbs assembled, etc.
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18:17 | se6astian | right then lets get to the naming scheme!
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18:17 | se6astian | let me look at the current state of the google doc
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18:18 | se6astian | I am not entirely sure how we should proceed now, so I need your help
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18:19 | se6astian | there are some summaries, opinions and preferences marked in the google doc
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18:19 | davidak | i have no real favorite for the bigrig :/
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18:19 | se6astian | so far for ABII "Core" and "Compact" are most voted for
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18:19 | se6astian | for ABIII its a bit harder to judge
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18:20 | se6astian | beside "extended" with 2 votes everyone prefers something different
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18:20 | davidak | i tried to speak the names to get a feeling if it sounds good
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18:20 | davidak | and represents the model
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18:21 | se6astian | I would have loved to get many votes from people on the team mailing list
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18:21 | RexOrCine | Well maybe concentrate on abbreviations RE who things sound. Is anyone against using abbreviations?
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18:21 | Bertl | what are the plans to handle development (given there is some)?
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18:21 | RexOrCine | how*
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18:21 | davidak | so there are probably not many people reading
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18:21 | se6astian | Bertl: what are the plans to handle development (given there is some)? <- please elaborate?
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18:22 | Bertl | well, we have shipped about 10 different versions of the Axiom Beta Dev Kit so far
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18:22 | RexOrCine | "so there are probably not many people reading" There's not really much we can do about that David. An email was sent out, so...
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18:22 | Bertl | and I'm not talking about variations in the plugin selection
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18:22 | Bertl | the basic idea of the AXIOM camera was to keep it evolving
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18:23 | Bertl | we've done a pretty good job with that for the Beta Dev Kit so far, with about 30 revisions for most of the boards
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18:23 | davidak | so just use the hash of the gut commit :D
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18:23 | davidak | *git
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18:23 | RexOrCine | It should be noted that we're just talking about the names of the enclosures here essentially.
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18:24 | Bertl | maybe they will evolve too, no?
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18:24 | Bertl | (at least I hope so :)
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18:24 | se6astian | currently the hardware that goes into dev kit, ABII and ABIII is essentially identical
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18:24 | se6astian | but of course in the future there would be room to evolve into different directions here
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18:25 | RexOrCine | I had thought of that yeah. But how often would new versions of enclosures come around? Leading me to think that enclosure versions could be denoted by year e.g. AXIOM Beta CP 2019.
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18:25 | se6astian | but I would keep hardware and enclosure separated in the naming scheme also in the future
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18:25 | se6astian | if we for example decide to create an audio pcb, we could just call it AXIOM Audio Board V1 R1
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18:25 | se6astian | no matter into which enclosure it would go
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18:26 | davidak | and the current camera without enclosure is the axiom camera stack?
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18:26 | davidak | a stack of pcbs
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18:26 | Bertl | we currently call it the Dev Kit
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18:26 | RexOrCine | Without enclosure it's AXIOM Beta.
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18:26 | davidak | yes, sure
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18:28 | se6astian | correct
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18:28 | se6astian | rex rightfully noted that we should not call the skeleton an "enclosure" as it doesnt really enclose anything
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18:28 | se6astian | it just "holds together"
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18:28 | se6astian | so the dev kit has "no enclosure"
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18:29 | Bertl | I agree, never considered the skeleton an enclosure myself
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18:29 | davidak | same
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18:29 | se6astian | great, I think we all agree :)
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18:30 | RexOrCine | Something I said earlier "I love the idea of women's names. But pursuing that would draw out the decision making and it would also spoil things for any independents who might wanna design their own enclosures down the line." This is what leads me to prefer identity's like CP or EX or DK, because they're utility names really. I prefer the idea of leaving more elaborate names to the users.
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18:30 | se6astian | any reasoning for "Core" vs "compact", what are the pros and cons of both these options
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18:30 | se6astian | pro for compact
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18:31 | se6astian | 1. it can be nicely abbreviated as rex noted with "CP"
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18:31 | davidak | - it's somewhat compact :D
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18:31 | se6astian | 2. it refers to compact cameras which have similar form factor and design
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18:32 | Bertl | compact sounds 'small but feature rich' where core sounds 'only essential'
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18:32 | se6astian | 3. it puts emphasis on the enclosure option being rather well "compact" as in small
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18:32 | se6astian | good point bertl
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18:32 | se6astian | any cons for compact?
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18:32 | Bertl | not saying that 'core' is a bad choice though
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18:33 | RexOrCine | I've tried hard and I can't really think of any.
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18:33 | se6astian | I noted that "compact cameras" as in photography cameras are much thinner (maybe 2cm) than what we want to call "compact" (7+cm) so it might backfire as joke...
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18:33 | davidak | as you said it's not that small like a compact camera
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18:33 | RexOrCine | Nah.
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18:34 | se6astian | another thing is that it might be directly associated with being a still camera
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18:34 | RexOrCine | Compact is a ubiquitous term for small technologies.
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18:34 | Bertl | maybe use a word describing the shape then ... like 'cube' or 'banana' :)
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18:35 | davidak | THE AXIOM BRICK
| 18:36 | Bertl | likes it!
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18:36 | davidak | just a joke. a sony F55 looks more like a brick than our bigrig concept
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18:36 | se6astian | what happened to "toaster"
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18:36 | davidak | haha
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18:36 | se6astian | ah no thats already taken by the magic company
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18:36 | se6astian | ok any pros/cons for "core"
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18:37 | RexOrCine | First thing that comes to mind with me and core is apple core, something that generally gets disposed of. A lot of people eat apples. It’s also synonymous with an electronic, internal component (Paul remarked on this at one point IIRC).
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18:37 | davidak | the camera is the core of a rig
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18:38 | davidak | what means it's the most important part
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18:38 | davidak | without a sensor you will have no image
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18:39 | RexOrCine | Aye but the camera is in all enclosures.
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18:40 | se6astian | core could in that sense be confusing that its exactly not the electronics that make up the core but an enclosure around core hardware
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18:41 | davidak | good point
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18:42 | Bertl | is there a reason to name the cameras different if there is the same hardware in all of them?
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18:43 | Bertl | (assuming there is of course :)
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18:43 | se6astian | its not the name of the camera but the enclosure we are trying to find
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18:43 | Bertl | so why not name them like we name other components like shields or plugins
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18:43 | RexOrCine | It's not the camera (AXIOM Beta) that's getting named, it's the enclosures i.e. AXIOM Beta Compact / AXIOM Beta Developer Kit
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18:44 | Bertl | i.e. Enclosure V1.0 R1.1
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18:44 | Bertl | Funny Enclosure, Big Enclosure, Compact Enclosure V1.x
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18:44 | se6astian | thats the idea
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18:45 | Bertl | and then have an Axiom Beta with Power Board v2.0 and Compact Enclosure v1.2
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18:45 | davidak | Compact Enclosure and Ergonomic Enclosure
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18:45 | se6astian | but as the enclosure is the "only" thing people see when they see a picture of the camera they associate the entire thing with that name
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18:46 | se6astian | internally I would just give whatever name we come up with for the enclosure Version and revision numbers
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18:46 | Bertl | well, we have to change that then
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18:46 | se6astian | and even subnumbers as multiple parts will make up any enclosure
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18:46 | davidak | same with computers for example. they have the same case but different specs
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18:47 | se6astian | basically we are trying to find names for PC products like "laptop" or "desktop" currently
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18:47 | se6astian | the insides are similar
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18:47 | se6astian | the form factor is different
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18:47 | se6astian | but everone just calls it "laptop"
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18:47 | RexOrCine | Exactly.
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18:47 | se6astian | and it doesnt really say what actual hardware is inside
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18:47 | davidak | so what are big cameras called on film sets?
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18:47 | RexOrCine | Rigs.
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18:48 | RexOrCine | (I think)
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18:48 | RexOrCine | Generally rigs.
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18:49 | se6astian | well the rig is the assembly of camera and other accessories
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18:49 | se6astian | there is no name for the camera other than "camera"
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18:50 | davidak | blackmagic design calls teir models "production camera" and "studio camera"
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18:50 | se6astian | also rather blurry names
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18:50 | Bertl | sounds like outside/everywhere and inside only to me
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18:51 | Bertl | (but I'm not a camera person :)
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18:51 | se6astian | those names reflect the featureset of the cameras a bit
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18:51 | se6astian | as the studio camera has no internal recording for example
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18:51 | se6astian | but lets not get into bm details
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18:52 | davidak | yeah
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18:52 | davidak | just an example
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18:52 | Bertl | maybe color encode the enclosures and use that ... the 'Axiom Beta Green' or 'Axiom Beta Blue' :)
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18:53 | davidak | so in what situations would you want a BETA III?
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18:53 | RexOrCine | Multiple.
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18:54 | davidak | to have everything in one (recorder, audio, ...)?
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18:54 | davidak | to have a havier rig for better ergonomy?
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18:54 | RexOrCine | Aye it's more about the extended features.
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18:54 | se6astian | color encode would work I guess, problem is that there is camera company called "red"...
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18:55 | Bertl | we do not have to use the color red *G*
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18:55 | RexOrCine | Not the best idea. People are colour blind.
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18:55 | davidak | you can't tell what the model blue is, so the name says nothing
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18:55 | Bertl | Pink?
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18:55 | se6astian | yeah using red as color code is off the table definitely but imagine we call the camera "blue", everyone will think its a knockoff from the camera "red"
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18:56 | davidak | we shoot on a blue epic :)
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18:56 | davidak | sounds stupid
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18:57 | RexOrCine | Oh right just the names. I though you meant actually colour code the enclosures.
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18:57 | Bertl | yeah, I mean color coding enclosures and using the corresponding name
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18:58 | RexOrCine | Keeping it literal it's about what it is, what it offers, and that's extended features.
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18:58 | davidak | i think we should only use very few color elements in our brand color
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18:58 | davidak | like the name badge
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18:59 | se6astian | meeting is 1h now, just mentioning so we keep the goal in focus :)
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18:59 | davidak | RexOrCine: then Compact Enclosure and Extended Enclosure?
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18:59 | se6astian | I think I favor "compact" over "core" now,
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19:00 | se6astian | the names should work together, compact/extended does
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19:00 | se6astian | how do you feel about core vs compact, what makes slightly more sense to you?
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19:00 | davidak | but extended enclosure doesn't fit well as AXIOM Beta Extended
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19:01 | davidak | i would now also prefer compact
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19:01 | se6astian | AXIOM Beta CP and AXIOM Beta XT ?
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19:02 | RexOrCine | I'd probably agree, for the reasons I outlined in the comments, but then, what does? Because 'Expansion' doesn't feel great either. So it starts to come down to whether or not we're comfortable with abbreviations.
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19:02 | davidak | why do we search for meaningful namen and then hide them?
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19:02 | davidak | we could try random characters and see what looks nice :D
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19:02 | davidak | XC PK QZ GG
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19:02 | RexOrCine | From comments:
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19:02 | RexOrCine | "On ‘Extended’ and Arri XT - The shorthand for the word extended and extension is ‘Ext’ in fact, so, we could abbreviate in the proper way and not overlap with Arri in that sense. On the subject of whether abbreviations should be used, it would probably come in useful. A good example of why can be found in this scenario “Above: AXIOM Beta Extended recorder concept†- In this situation, which would be one of dozens, there’s the i
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19:03 | RexOrCine | mplication of ‘Extended Recorder’. If the abbreviation was used then “Above: AXIOM Beta EXT Recorder concept†would be more readable."
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19:03 | se6astian | we do not hide them, but I also write MB when I mean AXIOM Beta Main Board in tables, lists, etc.
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19:03 | se6astian | so its good to know that the abbreviation works
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19:03 | RexOrCine | But then after what Sebastian said I started preferring EX instead of EXT. And I'm not keen on XT as it has Arri connotations
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19:04 | RexOrCine | Yeah abbreviations and full words would be useful in different situations.
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19:04 | davidak | i think we should have !Enclosure" in the name of the enclosure
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19:04 | davidak | to make it clear
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19:05 | RexOrCine | But with abbreviations it would be good that they weren't just random, like ZR or something.
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19:05 | davidak | apertus° AXIOM Beta Compact Enclosure and apertus° AXIOM Beta Extended Enclosure
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19:05 | Bertl | Axiom Beta XXX
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19:06 | RexOrCine | AXIOM Beta Mega?
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19:06 | davidak | i don't like the Extended there. it don't sound nice
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19:06 | Bertl | Meta, Super, Hyper let me see what other keys I can find ...
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19:07 | RexOrCine | Super Double?
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19:07 | davidak | i suggested Grand
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19:07 | davidak | what associations do you have with that?
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19:07 | Bertl | a car
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19:07 | Bertl | a hotel
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19:08 | RexOrCine | AXIOM Beta Super Double Super Light, ABSDSL.
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19:08 | davidak | The AXIOM Grand Hotel
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19:08 | RexOrCine | AXIOM Chat Line.
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19:08 | RexOrCine | 0800 AXIOM.
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19:08 | se6astian | a piano
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19:08 | davidak | ok, throw in more english words
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19:09 | RexOrCine | Grand Larceny.
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19:09 | RexOrCine | Head of HR wants a word.
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19:10 | davidak | no words left?
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19:10 | se6astian | http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/big?s=t
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19:10 | RexOrCine | For Grand?
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19:10 | se6astian | jumbo
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19:10 | se6astian | mammoth
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19:10 | se6astian | husky
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19:11 | se6astian | whopper :)
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19:11 | RexOrCine | Jumbo Super Double.
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19:11 | davidak | AXIOM fat enclosure
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19:11 | RexOrCine | Beta Battenberg.
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19:11 | RexOrCine | AXIOM Fat Lummox
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19:11 | RexOrCine | AXIOM Slack Alice.
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19:12 | davidak | just "Large Enclosure"?
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19:13 | RexOrCine | Extra Large Ribbed
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19:13 | davidak | that is more than mildly amusing right now
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19:13 | RexOrCine | (There the ones I get)
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19:13 | Kjetil | AXIOM YourMomma
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19:14 | RexOrCine | Throbbing Beta
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19:15 | davidak | hey Kjetil, welcome to the party
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19:15 | Kjetil | I couldn't help myself
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19:16 | davidak | we are searching names for our enclosure
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19:16 | davidak | AXIOM Beta heavy Enclosure
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19:16 | RexOrCine | Current favourite is AXIOM Beta Battenberg
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19:16 | RexOrCine | https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Battenbverg&t=hg&ia=images
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19:17 | Kjetil | AXIOM Supermassive Black(hole)
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19:18 | davidak | maybe a word that describes that it is larger than the "compact" but sill had beautiful details in design and high tech features
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19:18 | RexOrCine | Like Extended?
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19:18 | davidak | "large" is not really special
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19:19 | davidak | it's also quiet a simple word
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19:19 | davidak | i would like something more precise
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19:20 | RexOrCine | Extended?
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19:20 | RexOrCine | It's solid I know. I've been at it for three days.
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19:21 | RexOrCine | Thinking up names.
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19:21 | davidak | extensive
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19:21 | RexOrCine | Aye been there. Extended, Expanded, Expansion, Extension, you name it.
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19:23 | Bertl | misspellings and reduction are modern ... so that should be
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19:23 | se6astian | so how can we arrive at a viable choice?
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19:23 | Bertl | Xtended, Xpanded, ...
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19:23 | RexOrCine | The issue for me with Extended is what would we abbreviate it to?
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19:23 | Bertl | that's also something which could be trade marked :)
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19:24 | davidak | would you like the compact or extended enclosure?
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19:24 | RexOrCine | EX, EXT, or XT,
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19:24 | se6astian | it could also leave out the "ed" at the end to command users "Xtend", "Xpand" , etc.
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19:24 | RexOrCine | mmm
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19:24 | davidak | is something you could say
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19:25 | Bertl | Axiom Beta Xpand has definitely a special ring ...
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19:25 | se6astian | the abbreviation "XP" hasnt been used since windows and role playing games so that could work I guess
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19:25 | intrac | I like Arri's abbreviations - eg Alexa XT
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19:25 | se6astian | haha
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19:25 | se6astian | go home intrac :D
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19:25 | intrac | huh?
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19:25 | se6astian | na joking
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19:25 | se6astian | but we have been there
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19:25 | se6astian | some time ago
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19:26 | intrac | yeah, I've been reading :)
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19:26 | intrac | just giving my vote for that
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19:26 | RexOrCine | intrac is absolutely mad about abbreviations I know that for a fact.
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19:26 | davidak | i like EX, like the Sony EX-3
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19:27 | RexOrCine | Aaah. You had to ruin it davidak. Didn't think it had been done.
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19:27 | se6astian | "AXIOM Beta Xpand" or "AXIOM Beta Xp"/"AXIOM Beta XP" does indeed not look and sound too bad
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19:27 | se6astian | its not an abbreviation for sony though, its just EX
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19:27 | se6astian | FS
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19:27 | intrac | XP has too much of a tie to Microsoft
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19:27 | se6astian | etc
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19:28 | davidak | CT and XP
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19:28 | se6astian | windows xp is 16 years old, I think people are not associating it anymore
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19:28 | RexOrCine | You're having a laugh.
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19:29 | intrac | our government health service is still using it afaik...
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19:29 | Bertl | isn't XP discontinued and not updated since some time
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19:29 | intrac | MS only pulled the plug, what, a couple of years ago?
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19:29 | se6astian | yeah I think so too
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19:29 | intrac | and it's still used for embedded systems
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19:29 | se6astian | thats windows ce
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19:29 | intrac | and customers paying for custom support
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19:29 | davidak | Bertl: you can buy updates for a very high price i think
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19:29 | intrac | se6astian: no, fairly sure it's a variant of XP
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19:30 | intrac | for ATMs and such
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19:30 | RexOrCine | What you've done sebastian is you've done what I did when I first thought of AXIOM Beta Myro. Give it a little while.
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19:30 | Bertl | Myro?
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19:30 | RexOrCine | Then you'll be back to AXIOM Beta Battenberg like the rest of us.
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19:31 | davidak | haha
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19:31 | RexOrCine | Bertl don't.
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19:32 | Bertl | Battenberg sounds okay to me ... better than Biscuit or Sausage
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19:32 | RexOrCine | I'm 'this' close to turning it to orange in my choices.
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19:33 | RexOrCine | Added another row in doc for abbreviation prefs.
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19:34 | Bertl | but keep in mind, if you go with Axiom Beta Caramel, you can abbreviate to ABC :)
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19:34 | davidak | http://www.pro.sony.eu/pro/lang/en/eu/products/broadcast-products-camcorders-digital-motion-picture-camera
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19:34 | davidak | they call the F55 "compact camera"
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19:36 | RexOrCine | Think they call pretty much everything a compact camera.
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19:36 | RexOrCine | Caramel camera on the other hand, that's a patent.
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19:45 | se6astian | meeting close to 2h :)
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19:45 | se6astian | can we do it!?
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19:45 | se6astian | can we find it!
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19:45 | se6astian | THE name?
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19:45 | RexOrCine | Extended?
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19:45 | se6astian | Xtended
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19:45 | se6astian | or xtend
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19:45 | RexOrCine | Phwar.
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19:46 | RexOrCine | Xtend is a verb.
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19:46 | RexOrCine | Extend sorry.
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19:47 | se6astian | totally different idea: "reel" as in film reel and because the recorder looks like a magazine?
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19:47 | RexOrCine | I honestly don't think it's a good idea to copy Arri on the abbreviation front.
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19:47 | RexOrCine | There may even be legal issues.
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19:49 | se6astian | "Extended"/"EX" to the vote then
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19:49 | se6astian | who can live with it
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19:49 | se6astian | who cannot live with it?
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19:50 | RexOrCine | We may just have to live with it.
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19:51 | RexOrCine | It feels better than AXIOM Beta III: Shoulder Mounted
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19:51 | se6astian | agreed
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19:53 | se6astian | and it works together with "compact"
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19:53 | RexOrCine | Yep. And AXIOM Beta Compact feels better than AXIOM Beta II: Production Ready.
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19:54 | davidak | i don't like abbreviation here, we have already enough strange words in our name
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19:54 | RexOrCine | We could abbreviate Compact with C, but it might be nice if we can keep a theme of two letters going for versions.
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19:54 | davidak | it should be something that explains exactly what it is
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19:54 | davidak | like compact case
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19:55 | davidak | and extended case
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19:56 | RexOrCine | It's gonna be abbreviated though David, because if we don't the names are gonna be awkward in some sentences. Shouldn't imagine they'll be abbreviated all the time, basically when we have to to make sentences sound alright.
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19:57 | se6astian | we will try to use the full name in our articles and co
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19:57 | se6astian | starting to edit the TT13.2 article now
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19:57 | se6astian | have to leave the office soon
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19:57 | RexOrCine | Another note was, I asked Sebastian if we would actually label the enclosures with these names. So, would we label the enclosures with the names or the abbreviations?
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19:57 | davidak | and i have to sleep. up since 29 hours
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19:58 | RexOrCine | Well done for making the meeting man.
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19:59 | davidak | a totally different thing i noticed: we started making modular cameras, now everyone else does. but we now build a huge brick. why?
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19:59 | davidak | http://zsyst.com/2017/02/f55-vs-red-helium-8k-vs-red-dragon-6k/
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19:59 | davidak | just for the picture
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19:59 | Bertl | davidak: keep it below 8 days/ 200 hours and you should be fine :)
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20:00 | davidak | mondays are always hard when work starts again
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20:02 | se6astian | RexOrCine should we add a paragraph to the TT article about the new names
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20:02 | se6astian | I replaced them all in the text/headers now
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20:03 | RexOrCine | Oh definitely. Then probably refer C5D to it, then they can translate the message how they like.
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20:03 | RexOrCine | In.
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20:04 | se6astian | right
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20:05 | danieel | davidak: F55 is a compact one compared to F65 :)
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20:11 | se6astian | meeting concluded
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20:11 | se6astian | will write minutes tomorrow
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20:11 | se6astian | and post to wiki
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20:11 | davidak | great, thanks
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20:11 | Bertl | thanks!
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20:30 | danieel | intrac: it is not ce, but Windows POS, a version of XP which still receives patches. You can turn XP into that, for this reason.. I run a computer this way
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20:35 | Bertl_oO | that's hardly a reason to run Microsoft Windows ...
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20:36 | danieel | that old OrCAD 10 wont run on anything else :) but Altium is getting the same features now.. well it too just 15 years to get on par :P
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20:36 | danieel | *took
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20:38 | intrac | danieel: yep, that's what I thought. Couldn't remember the POS acronym
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20:45 | jarhab[m] | a question that appeared while reading the naming sceme discussions: do we have a list of all boards / hardware components with name and revision?
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20:47 | jarhab[m] | and can the microzed enumerate all the boards, that are attached? (so we could build a axiom-ls tool, that lists boards with revisions)
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20:51 | Bertl_oO | all but the first generation power boards are equipped with some kind of storage (mostly eeprom) to hold this information, so the hardware for enumeration is there
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21:01 | jarhab[m] | cool
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21:01 | jarhab[m] | but the list is currently not there?
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21:01 | Bertl_oO | no
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21:01 | jarhab[m] | ok
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21:02 | jarhab[m] | btw: I would vote for AXIOM Beta L[arge] and AXIOM Beta S[mall] :)
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21:02 | jarhab[m] | what is currently in the EEPROMS?
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21:02 | jarhab[m] | and how big are they?
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21:03 | Bertl_oO | nothing and at least 256 bytes but typically four times as much
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21:03 | jarhab[m] | ah cool
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21:04 | jarhab[m] | maybe we could write a url to a machine readable description
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21:05 | jarhab[m] | are they all connected to a common bus like i2c or something similiar?
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21:06 | Bertl_oO | they are connected via IIC but not on a common bus
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21:21 | jarhab[m] | ok thx
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21:21 | Bertl_oO | np
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22:27 | se6astian | good night
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