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| 08:08 | se6astian | good morning
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| 09:51 | Bertl | morning folks!
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| 13:41 | umit | Hello Team Apertus
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| 13:42 | umit | I am Umit from Istanbul Turkey
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| 13:42 | umit | And I hope that I can help you
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| 13:42 | umit | Is there anyone online
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| 13:44 | umit | No response again
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| 13:53 | Spirit532 | 2 minutes for a reply, that's one hell of an impatient guy.
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| 13:55 | se6astian | he has no time to loose to help
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| 14:32 | se6astian | new team talk 11 is out!
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| 14:32 | se6astian | https://www.apertus.org/axiom-team-talk-volume-11-article-november-2016
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| 15:33 | Spirit532 | se6astian, talk to the camera, not to the air between the camera and other people! D:
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| 15:33 | Spirit532 | for medium-volume production you should probably outsource PCB production to medium-cost manufacturers in panelized form
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| 15:34 | Spirit532 | it should be a lot cheaper than doing it yourself, at least via man-hours
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| 15:35 | Spirit532 | personally, I'd go with reputable chinese manufacturers, but you have a different opinion on using those
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| 16:00 | Bertl_oO | hey kaiserlich!
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| 16:00 | kaiserlich | hey bertl!
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| 17:13 | toxitobi | good evening
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| 17:14 | Bertl_oO | evening!
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| 17:16 | toxitobi | Nice seeing the enclosures and also your CNC-machine.
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| 17:19 | Bertl_oO | se6astian will be happy to hear :)
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| 17:20 | toxitobi | hope the delivery of cameras will roll out quicker than before :-)
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| 17:21 | toxitobi | is your pick and place machine running?
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| 17:21 | Bertl_oO | not really as we hoped ... i.e. still work in progress
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| 17:24 | toxitobi | such a shame
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| 17:26 | toxitobi | Loved the part with the kitchen oven.
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| 19:18 | Bertl_oO | hey umitdogan!
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| 19:18 | umitdogan | hey
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| 19:18 | umitdogan | Finally
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| 19:18 | umitdogan | :)
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| 19:18 | umitdogan | I was reading lab page and trying to warm up
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| 19:19 | Bertl_oO | from your messages I gathered that you want to help out, but don't know how/where yet
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| 19:20 | umitdogan | yes yes exactly
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| 19:20 | umitdogan | I am very interested in the project as software eng and film maker
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| 19:20 | Bertl_oO | any specific areas which sound appealing to you? anything you are really good at and would like to do? :)
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| 19:21 | umitdogan | I did enterprise C++ server apps around 6-7 years ago for 6-7 yers
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| 19:22 | umitdogan | and i did project management in software projects most of them r&d
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| 19:22 | umitdogan | for 5-6 years
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| 19:22 | umitdogan | And i am film maker for 3 years.
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| 19:22 | umitdogan | I shot my first short last year and working my first feture
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| 19:23 | Bertl_oO | sounds great!
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| 19:23 | umitdogan | I hope i cand help you
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| 19:23 | Bertl_oO | I'm sure we will find something ...
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| 19:23 | umitdogan | I am half engineer half cinema person lets say
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| 19:24 | umitdogan | Let me know what is your urgent need or what is mostly required
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| 19:25 | Bertl_oO | well, we have tasks ranging from hard core embedded FPGA programming over the typical software and database tasks to general testing, evaluation and documentation
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| 19:26 | Bertl_oO | so it would make sense to find something you actually like doing instead of something which might be urgent but you really do not want to do :)
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| 19:26 | umitdogan | It sounds good
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| 19:26 | umitdogan | :)
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| 19:28 | Bertl | so any preference?
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| 19:28 | umitdogan | Anyway i would interested in product development(specs, bencmanrks, test ) and or software development
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| 19:29 | umitdogan | Do you use C or assembler
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| 19:29 | Bertl | yes, we do, on the AXIOM Beta
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| 19:29 | Bertl | but also python and bash scripts :)
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| 19:30 | umitdogan | Good good
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| 19:31 | umitdogan | I can also work as a film maker but at this stage i am not sure what can i do
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| 19:31 | Bertl | so for testing and benchmarking you probably need to get a little more intimate with the AXIOM Beta first ... and probably need to get one as well
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| 19:32 | umitdogan | Yes sounds good
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| 19:32 | Bertl | although designing tests doesn't require actual hardware, but it is always better to have access to
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| 19:32 | umitdogan | I sounds very interesting i must say :)
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| 19:33 | umitdogan | How can i get it?
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| 19:33 | umitdogan | Do you sell it as a development product
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| 19:34 | Bertl | well, that's the tricky part ... we had a very successful crowd funding campaign in 2014
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| 19:35 | Bertl | and after developing the AXIOM Beta during 2015, we are now building the development kits for our crowdfunding backers
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| 19:35 | Bertl | so for now the Beta is not officially sold except to voucher holders
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| 19:35 | umitdogan | Ok
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| 19:36 | umitdogan | How much is it actually
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| 19:36 | umitdogan | And i think there will be a problem in customs
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| 19:36 | umitdogan | So do you have any solution for that already
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| 19:36 | Bertl | but, the good news is, every now and then somebody 'returns' his or her voucher (because they get into financial problems or whatever) and then we re-distribute this voucher to interested folks (we keep a list)
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| 19:37 | Bertl | the voucher was last sold for 800 EUR and it gives you an AXIOM Beta at cost
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| 19:38 | umitdogan | 800 EUR
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| 19:38 | Bertl | the parts for the AXIOM Beta cost about 2200 EUR give or take (the sensor is the most expensive part)
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| 19:38 | umitdogan | What is sensor exactly
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| 19:39 | umitdogan | I mean brand
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| 19:39 | Bertl | it is a CMV12000 from cmosis
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| 19:39 | umitdogan | Oh good
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| 19:39 | umitdogan | So all i need to do is invest 800 EUR :)
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| 19:39 | Bertl | for the voucher, yes
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| 19:40 | umitdogan | And Turkish customs is a problem so i need to travell a bit
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| 19:40 | umitdogan | Where is your location exactly
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| 19:40 | umitdogan | in Germany?
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| 19:40 | Bertl | but you could also build your own AXIOM Beta
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| 19:40 | Bertl | we are located in Austria and Belgium
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| 19:41 | umitdogan | Well do you have any source explaining own Axiom beta
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| 19:41 | umitdogan | How to build up an Axiom Beta i mean
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| 19:42 | Bertl | there is no how-to yet, but the designs are all open and available, so if you know how to handle a soldering iron, you can get all the parts from distributors and the PCBs from OSHpark
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| 19:44 | Bertl | you will also need to mill or order the lens mount, but that's not a big problem either
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| 19:44 | umitdogan | Well
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| 19:45 | umitdogan | I did some electronics in school
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| 19:46 | umitdogan | But it is a little bit emm...mmm...err .)
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| 19:46 | umitdogan | :)
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| 19:46 | umitdogan | But i would like that way :)
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| 19:46 | Bertl | here so that you get an idea how the boards look like:
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| 19:46 | Bertl | https://wiki.apertus.org/images/f/f4/BetaPowerBoard_0.18_TOP.jpg
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| 19:47 | umitdogan | Do you have any design spec
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| 19:47 | Bertl | what do you mean by 'design spec'?
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| 19:49 | umitdogan | I mean how to connect main parts board, power, lens holder etc
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| 19:49 | umitdogan | Ok i you already said that you dont have how to
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| 19:49 | Bertl | https://www.apertus.org/sites/default/files/PCB-Stack-Concept-V03-022b-transp.png
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| 19:50 | umitdogan | Yes yes
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| 19:50 | Bertl | that is basically what we have regarding the 'how to plug everything together' :)
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| 19:50 | umitdogan | This is prety helpful
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| 19:50 | Bertl | there are no 'wires' or 'cables' except for the fan and of course power and external connections
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| 19:51 | umitdogan | Basically it is core i guess
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| 19:52 | umitdogan | I mean you just need to power it and cool it
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| 19:52 | Bertl | yes, the rest is software :)
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| 19:53 | Bertl | so if you want to build your own and document the process while you go, that would be a nice thing
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| 19:54 | Bertl | if you prefer an assembled kit to play with, I would suggest that we add you to the waiting list
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| 19:54 | umitdogan | Let me think about it
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| 19:54 | Bertl | sure, no need to decide right now, take your time
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| 19:54 | umitdogan | I will search some of the wiki pages
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| 19:54 | umitdogan | of apertus
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| 19:55 | umitdogan | and try to find electronic eng friend if i can consult when i need help
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| 19:55 | umitdogan | Or i can do it myself?
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| 19:55 | Bertl | if something is unclear (and it will be :) do not hesitate to ask (here) and add the information to the wiki
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| 19:56 | umitdogan | Good that is the right place to start :)
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| 19:56 | umitdogan | I also document it with video if you dont minds
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| 19:56 | Bertl | go crazy :)
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| 19:57 | umitdogan | If you dont mind
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| 19:57 | umitdogan | Good
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| 19:59 | umitdogan | Ok first i need to search for parts
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| 20:00 | umitdogan | what is it for and interfaces etc.
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| 20:01 | umitdogan | Thank you herbert
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| 20:01 | umitdogan | See you soon
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| 20:12 | Bertl | cya
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| 23:59 | Bertl | back now ...
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