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2018/05/03

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Bertl_oO
off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
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Bertl
morning folks!
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TofuLynx
Hello everyone!
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comradekingu
TofuLynx: heia :)
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TofuLynx
heia?
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comradekingu
TofuLynx: It is what we say in Norway
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TofuLynx
oh I see
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TofuLynx
Heia :)
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nmdis1999
Hey Bertl, I did tried to calculate image data size of Raw camera Image of pixel 4096*3072 pixels. It came out to be 18MB . For Grayscale 8 bit/pixel image it comes out to be approximately 12 MB
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nmdis1999
What I know (if I am right) for finding bandwidth I'd need to know these three things: The pixel depth (bytes/pixel),
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nmdis1999
The pixel clock rate of the camera (in MHz)
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nmdis1999
and The number of taps
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nmdis1999
let me know if I doing it right :)
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nmdis1999
I'll probably write an article about what I understood till now
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Bertl
taps?
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Bertl
and yes, the frame size calculation is correct
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nmdis1999
tap is kind of configuration
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Bertl
like?
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nmdis1999
wait a sec..I'll show you
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nmdis1999
For example the tap is considered 1 if pixels per clock cycle is 1, 2 for when there are 2 pixels per clock cycle and so on..
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nmdis1999
You can see more here http://download.gemscriptor.com/Euresys/html/99963.htm
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Bertl
okay, that's something relevant/specific to camera link
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Bertl
we don't have taps
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nmdis1999
I see, so I'll probably don't take that into consideration then?
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Bertl
the sensor has a number of LVDS channels (which mayb change) but those are not relevant for your puproses
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Bertl
you are dealing with memory access, specifically DDR3 memory
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Bertl
and you can benefit from utilizing the caches efficiently
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nmdis1999
yes, also by calculating bandwidth and understanding if there's buffer overflow it might help?
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Bertl
most likely we will have a system for you to test on tomorrow or after the weekend
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Bertl
buffer overflow?
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supragya
Good evening!
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nmdis1999
what I read is that if FIFO required for one frame is greater than the on-board memory then we will experience buffer overflow
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nmdis1999
Good evening supragya :)
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Bertl
well, our FIFOs are all smaller than the on board memory ;-)
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nmdis1999
cool :D
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TofuLynx
Hello supragya!
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Bertl
nmdis1999: don't worry about the data appearing in memory, this part is working just fine and is not related to your task
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nmdis1999
okay, got it :)
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Bertl
worry more about 'how' to get the data from that memory in an efficient way
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supragya
Bertl, with a quick look can you verify is QTFF is something we should not go forward with? [https://developer.apple.com/library/content/documentation/QuickTime/QTFF/QTFFPreface/qtffPreface.html]
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supragya
*verify if
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Bertl
nmdis1999: for example, copying the entire frame to a different memory location is not very efficient
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nmdis1999
okay, I understand.
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Bertl
supragya: IIRC, QuickTime is not free (i.e. the license is quite restrictive)
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nmdis1999
Bertl : Let me know when the system is ready, I am reading logs regularly. :D
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supragya
that's what I thought, says it's an extention to MP4 so I asked
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Bertl
btw, I did setup ZNC on our server, so if you want to test the IRC bouncer, just let me know
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supragya
:) yaaay
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supragya
sure Bertl !
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nmdis1999
Going out for dinner. Have a great day everyone! :D
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supragya
TofuLynx: hi
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TofuLynx
I'll be off for today!
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TofuLynx
Later this night will be the "Serenata" on my University
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TofuLynx
:)
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supragya
Seems like your code is strange for OC is it?
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TofuLynx
It's a special occasion
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TofuLynx
yeah it is, I have to restructure it
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TofuLynx
See you later!
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supragya
serenata? more of ball?
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TofuLynx
No :)
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TofuLynx
Every year, the university has some sort of university student week
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TofuLynx
where we celebrate
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TofuLynx
it's a tradition
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TofuLynx
https://www.noticiasdecoimbra.pt/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/s%C3%A9-velha.jpg
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TofuLynx
And Serenata is the first celebration
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supragya
seems grandeaur
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supragya
*spelling
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TofuLynx
where groups of students sing some sad musics related to "Saudade"
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TofuLynx
which is a feel of missing something or someone
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supragya
? sad
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TofuLynx
yeah
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TofuLynx
because for much people it's the last year of their course in the university
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supragya
farewell?
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TofuLynx
yeah basically
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supragya
nice... have fun... or sad... whatever.. just enjoy :)
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TofuLynx
ahahaha
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TofuLynx
thanks
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TofuLynx
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgEMmoLMN48
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TofuLynx
you can see a glimpse of it there
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danieel
supragya: QTFF is not an extension of MP4. QT was first, then they standardized a subset of it within ISO
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TofuLynx
See you guys later! :)
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danieel
Bertl: what restrictions does the QT license force you?
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Bertl
danieel: no idea, you tell me ... I usually do not spend much time on proprietary licenses
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BAndiT1983
https://developer.apple.com/softwarelicensing/agreements/quicktime.php
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danieel
or here: https://developer.apple.com/softwarelicensing/agreements/pdf/qt_file_format.pdf
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Bertl
for example, point 2.2 seems pretty bad to me :)
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BAndiT1983
how does adobe and other circumvent it?
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Bertl
or 2.4 FWIW
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danieel
if you make a mov io lib, then the product is the lib itself, hm?
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BAndiT1983
yes, if we merge video stream and metadata in post
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BAndiT1983
then i would gladly send a floppy disk to apple
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BAndiT1983
or just go to the genius bar and let them send it to the HQ ;)
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BAndiT1983
sorry, forgot to take genius into "..."
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danieel
also BM uses mov vs dng in their cameras, so definitely not something what cant be solved
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Bertl
in general it is not worth bothering
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Bertl
especially as they reserve the right to change the license whenever they feel fit
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BAndiT1983
i would handle it like ARRI with ARRIRAW and get the data out in our format, with according clean lib
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BAndiT1983
and conversion would be done later, a bit of inconvenience, but we are restricted by MCU at the moment
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supragya
so you are happy if you are handed with lib? Only a lack of strong contendor would ask you to go that far
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supragya
*means only if apple is that better
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BAndiT1983
supragya, what do you mean?
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supragya
if a lib is proprietary, and API provided, does that allow inclusion in the project?
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BAndiT1983
that's not for sure
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danieel
mov/mp4 can handle off-file data, so make a BLOB and produce a MOV with the metadata only (or paste the metadata after the blob and you are saved from remuxing)
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BAndiT1983
danieel, first we need any sort of interface to get data from memory to some permanent disk
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danieel
and it pretty much handles all the issues with various time/frame/data mapping
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BAndiT1983
afterwards we can check if we can produce file formats on the fly or just streams with embedded meta data
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BAndiT1983
Bertl, what are the possible solutions, which are not that difficult for first tets?
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supragya
danieel: [make a BLOB and produce a MOV with the metadata only] <- is that an intended use or a workaround?
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danieel
it allows you to create a mov wrapper on proprietary (custom) blobs
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BAndiT1983
don't like proprietary here
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danieel
making your format clearly described wont help you to pull it in fcpx/premiere :)
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BAndiT1983
frame server? conversion?
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danieel
so its proprietary until its compliant to any existing standard
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supragya
Both points nice!
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BAndiT1983
there are many ways to let people work with our stuff, but if apple is restrictive, then we should avoid to generate the files in the camera
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supragya
be back in a while
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Bertl
BAndiT1983: solutions for what?
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BAndiT1983
transfer of frame data to some sort of permanent storage, it doesn't matter at the moment if it's not a video clip
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Bertl
USB, ethernet, SD card
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danieel
BAndiT1983: be careful, a still frame can already be stored on SD card
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BAndiT1983
RAW12?
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danieel
fps is the question :)
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BAndiT1983
even if it's rather low, just a constant output would be nice
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Bertl
off for a nap ... bbl
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g3gg0
hi
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back ...
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