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17:17 | stjepan | oh
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17:17 | stjepan | lot of guys here ^^
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17:17 | stjepan | are here younger ones? under 25?
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17:18 | Bertl | probably
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17:18 | stjepan | will this camera get the arri look?
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17:19 | Bertl | do you fear the older ones will not understand you?
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17:19 | stjepan | yes
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17:19 | stjepan | that is common for me
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17:19 | Bertl | interesting ...
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17:19 | stjepan | they do not understand my joyness
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17:20 | stjepan | joy*
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17:20 | stjepan | so. b2t
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17:20 | stjepan | arri look?
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17:20 | Bertl | hmm, not sure what the arri look is actually
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17:21 | stjepan | just look at films made in arri?
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17:21 | stjepan | o.o
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17:21 | stjepan | you will see immediately the arri look
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17:21 | stjepan | the most beuatiful look a camera can give you
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17:22 | stjepan | beautifulÜ
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17:22 | stjepan | *
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17:22 | kaiserlich | must go check the nicks, do they all sound so manly? (re: guys in here)
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17:22 | stjepan | ik bin au ein deutscher
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17:22 | Bertl | we are not germans :)
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17:23 | kaiserlich | i'm not german :P
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17:23 | stjepan | ich rede nicht über dich bertl -.-
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17:24 | Bertl | anyway, I have no idea about the arri look, but IIRC they also use (or used to use) CMOSIS sensor(s)
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17:24 | stjepan | komisch. *email address removed* aber server in NL
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17:25 | Bertl | did you check out the demo footage yet?
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17:25 | stjepan | how can i move to munich to make a internship if i do not have rich parents?
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17:25 | stjepan | the older ones ,yes
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17:25 | Bertl | if so, you should immediately know the answer to your question
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17:25 | stjepan | apertus has to less raw and graded videos
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17:26 | Bertl | check with se6astian when he comes back, I'm sure there is a ton of footage available
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17:27 | stjepan | ok
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17:27 | stjepan | but how about that internship problem?
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17:28 | Bertl | no idea, why would you want to move to munich?
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17:28 | kaiserlich | are you asking about an internship with apertus? i interpreted the above to mean you are doing an internship right now, in Munich, and that that's only possible because you have rich parents.
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17:28 | stjepan | arri offers a internship as a loaner
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17:29 | stjepan | in the middle of munich... T__T
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17:29 | Bertl | you can try to get adopted?
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17:29 | kaiserlich | lol
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17:29 | stjepan | haha
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17:29 | stjepan | i'm 23?
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17:30 | Bertl | do you look nice? rich parents want nice looking children :)
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17:30 | stjepan | xD
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17:30 | Bertl | if you're ugly, you won't get adopted ...
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17:30 | stjepan | what's wrong with you
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17:30 | Bertl | hey, I'm offering options here for your 'rich parents' problem
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17:31 | stjepan | you can replace "rich parents" with something else.
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17:31 | kaiserlich | "a cat"
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17:31 | Bertl | so you don't have a cat
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17:31 | kaiserlich | ):
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17:32 | stjepan | a job won't do it
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17:32 | stjepan | i can work 35h at arri and 35 at a job for money oO
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17:32 | kaiserlich | i don't have a cat either, but i also want to go to munich... (just for a visit though) uh-oh
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17:33 | Bertl | that's 70 hours but the week has 168 hours, no?
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17:33 | stjepan | i sleep 50 h a week
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17:33 | Bertl | even if you sleep half the time, you still got 14 hours left
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17:33 | stjepan | and perhaps i need food, cooking, playing
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17:33 | stjepan | and sport
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17:33 | Bertl | so plenty of time left then
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17:33 | stjepan | uh. not.
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17:34 | stjepan | nice joke
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17:34 | stjepan | 20h week = plenty time ? :D
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17:34 | Bertl | 168-50-70 = 48h
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17:34 | Bertl | that's almost 7 hours a day!!
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17:34 | kaiserlich | lol
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17:34 | stjepan | yes. if only 1 job.
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17:34 | stjepan | then 7h a day
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17:35 | kaiserlich | also, maybe you can sleep fewer hours. at 23 that should be doable
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17:35 | Bertl | no, with 70 hour/week work
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17:35 | stjepan | if 2 than nothing
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17:35 | stjepan | i need a lot sleep
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17:35 | Bertl | you said 50 hours
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17:35 | kaiserlich | tell me about it! (i'm not 23)
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17:35 | stjepan | 70 h / week are 15h a day working.
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17:35 | stjepan | 24-15-8= x
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17:35 | Rex0r | Bertl hasn't slept for two weeks. He's plugged into the mains though.
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17:36 | stjepan | = 1
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17:36 | kaiserlich | haha
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17:36 | stjepan | noo way
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17:36 | stjepan | damn life. so unfair
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17:36 | stjepan | if you are poor, you will stay non-wealthy
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17:37 | Bertl | so you want to get rich, not do something useful then?
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17:38 | stjepan | not rich.
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17:38 | stjepan | was just a saying
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17:39 | Bertl | where is the joyfulness? sounds pretty depressing to me
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17:39 | stjepan | adult stuff is indeed very sad
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17:40 | stjepan | what did you guys learn?
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17:41 | Bertl | a lot of interesting stuff
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17:41 | stjepan | as a job? what apprenticeship?
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17:42 | Bertl | in short university, physics, computer sciences, as hobby electronics
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17:42 | stjepan | oh jesus
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17:42 | stjepan | im out here
| 17:43 | stjepan | quits.
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17:43 | Bertl | you don't like science?
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17:43 | stjepan | reading about it, i like
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17:44 | Bertl | well, we are building a camera, so we need to know and apply it as well ...
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17:44 | stjepan | we?
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17:44 | stjepan | aren't you only a pre-buyer?
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17:44 | Bertl | nope
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17:44 | stjepan | oh ok
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17:44 | Rex0r | Bertl is AXIOM Technical Lead
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17:45 | Spirit532 | most of the people here are related to development in one way or another
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17:45 | stjepan | i thought apertus is developing their camera in munich?
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17:45 | Bertl | nope
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17:45 | Rex0r | Vienna
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17:45 | stjepan | or in germany at least :D
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17:45 | Bertl | nope
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17:45 | stjepan | ok in vvienna
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17:45 | Bertl | yep
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17:45 | Bertl | well, at least in the vicinity
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17:46 | Spirit532 | deep under ground
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17:46 | Spirit532 | in a secret bunker
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17:46 | stjepan | ooooh
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17:46 | Bertl | lair
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17:46 | stjepan | and who is Bertl ?
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17:46 | Rex0r | You heard of a hair cave?
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17:46 | Spirit532 | technical lead
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17:46 | Spirit532 | he leads technical stuff
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17:47 | stjepan | no. i meant: who are the others here
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17:47 | Spirit532 | they're humans
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17:47 | stjepan | i'm not°
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17:48 | Bertl | developers, backers, followers, curious folks ...
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17:48 | Rex0r | I'm one of the curious folks.
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17:49 | stjepan | aliens. <-
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17:49 | Bertl | more than one? that's interesting
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17:49 | stjepan | do you plan a 65 mm kit?
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17:50 | Spirit532 | if you're content with 3fps and an $12000 price tag
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17:50 | Spirit532 | lol
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17:50 | Spirit532 | I think that's what the CHR70M costs
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17:50 | stjepan | why so bad ?
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17:50 | stjepan | arri can do it too
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17:51 | Spirit532 | do they have a 65mm sensor?
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17:51 | Spirit532 | huh, they do
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17:51 | stjepan | they did, they do. o.o
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17:52 | stjepan | 2 yrs of develeopment
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17:52 | Bertl | but their cameras are a different price class too
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17:52 | Spirit532 | yeah, you're not getting a 65mm 21MP sensor for cheap
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17:52 | stjepan | but you are making modulars. so you can make cheap and expensive modulars?
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17:52 | Bertl | yes, we can
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17:53 | Spirit532 | in fact, I don't think there is a readily available 65mm sensor at all
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17:53 | Spirit532 | and if it is, it's probably behind an NDA
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17:53 | Spirit532 | or 8 NDAs
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17:53 | Spirit532 | depending on the tightness of the manufacturer's rectum
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17:53 | stjepan | you hate arri?
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17:54 | Spirit532 | I don't
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17:54 | Spirit532 | but it's expensive
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17:54 | stjepan | not really if you have a nice income?
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17:54 | Spirit532 | do you need an apertus then?
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17:54 | stjepan | its not about me now.
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17:54 | Spirit532 | the people that can afford an arri and want one already have one
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17:55 | stjepan | arri amira costs like a nice middle-high-class-car? :D
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17:55 | stjepan | just do not buy the trashy car
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17:56 | Spirit532 | the axiom is aimed at the lower end of the market
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17:56 | Spirit532 | as cheap it can be whilst still providing the best image quality
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17:56 | stjepan | i hope the image will look good .__.
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17:57 | Spirit532 | it does
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17:57 | Spirit532 | the CMV12000 is a good sensor
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17:57 | stjepan | better than bmc 4k p?
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17:58 | Spirit532 | probably
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17:59 | stjepan | why do you hide your ip?^^
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17:59 | stjepan | oh you dont
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18:00 | stjepan | but who are you now? more cinema-nerds or it-nerds?
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18:00 | Bertl | a mix I would say
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18:00 | Spirit532 | all of it
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18:01 | Spirit532 | I'm a really technical guy, but I just spectate
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18:01 | Spirit532 | I'm too poor to afford even a devkit
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18:02 | stjepan | so you make movies too?
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18:02 | Spirit532 | I don't.
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18:02 | stjepan | why are you then here?
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18:02 | stjepan | oO
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18:02 | Spirit532 | again, I'm a technical guy
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18:02 | Spirit532 | the axiom allows fora whole range of neat things
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18:02 | stjepan | not again, i do not understand ?
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18:03 | Spirit532 | I may or may not be basing off the beta to create a high speed camera
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18:03 | Spirit532 | though not sure about anything yet
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18:03 | Spirit532 | my goal is to do this: http://hackaday.com/2016/05/03/atmel-removes-full-swing-crystal-oscillator/
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18:03 | Spirit532 | damnit
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18:03 | Spirit532 | not this
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18:03 | Spirit532 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuUZjXQCuJw
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18:03 | Spirit532 | this.
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18:03 | stjepan | dont show me your p0rn pls
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18:03 | Spirit532 | with my own hardware, in color, tweaked
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18:04 | Spirit532 | and to also film day-to-day stuff whenever I need
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18:04 | stjepan | white font on black background... damn.. i hate this one who designed this site
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18:04 | Spirit532 | I am not very statisfied with my hardware, of which I still have quite a bit
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18:04 | Spirit532 | don't look at the had page, look at the youtube video ;-;
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18:05 | stjepan | oh
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18:05 | stjepan | sry
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18:05 | stjepan | 10k fps is so boring. but ok. better than 0
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18:05 | Spirit532 | just a bad subject
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18:05 | Spirit532 | the first thing I had on hand
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18:06 | Spirit532 | but the camera I'm shooting that with is very locked down and limited
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18:06 | Rex0r | I thought it was excellent.
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18:06 | Spirit532 | it is!
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18:06 | Spirit532 | but I want more.
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18:06 | Spirit532 | I want full control, my design, my features
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18:07 | Bertl | Rex0r: it is excellently locked and limted :)
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18:07 | Spirit532 | well, yeah
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18:07 | Spirit532 | there's that
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18:07 | Spirit532 | but it's a $60 000 machine
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18:07 | Rex0r | But the possibilities with a good story. I'm a big fan of slo-mo.
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18:08 | Spirit532 | so am I
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18:08 | Spirit532 | I have already found a cheap($600) sensor that will do FHD @ 1000fps if overclocked(to manufacturer's spec, too!)
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18:08 | Spirit532 | but there's a lot of problems at those speeds
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18:09 | Spirit532 | for example, the beta camera will not be able to handle that, as you'd need a ton of SODIMM ram, two or four slots
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18:09 | Rex0r | Edgertronic is $5000 iirc
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18:09 | Spirit532 | it's garbage compared even to the beta in its current state.
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18:09 | Spirit532 | it's using an ON Semi LUPA1300-2 sensor
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18:09 | Spirit532 | which is $1200
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18:10 | Spirit532 | it only does HD @ ~700fps
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18:10 | Spirit532 | it has SOLDERED ON flash memory for recording
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18:10 | Rex0r | Right.
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18:10 | Spirit532 | actually, no, it's also got 16GB of DDR3
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18:10 | Bertl | maybe at some point we will do a high speed AXIOM :)
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18:11 | Spirit532 | maybe with an FPGA to handle high speed recording?
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18:11 | Spirit532 | add another layer to the sandwich
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18:12 | kaiserlich | so, stjepan, do you make movies? so far we only know you want to work with/at arri, but not the why
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18:15 | kaiserlich | ... or what your interest in the beta is (;
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18:16 | stjepan | wait
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18:17 | stjepan | i dont. i never did. ^^ i am just interested in movie making
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18:17 | stjepan | cinematography*
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18:18 | stjepan | why? because, IMHO, arri has the cameras, with a very beautiful image
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18:18 | stjepan | if not the most beautiful
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18:19 | stjepan | kaiserlich:
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18:21 | stjepan_ | ^hm
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18:26 | stjepan_ | chat is dead :D
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18:29 | stjepan_ | kaiserlich: :<
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18:29 | kaiserlich | oups
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18:30 | stjepan_ | say something :O
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18:30 | kaiserlich | something :O
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18:30 | stjepan_ | thank u^^
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18:31 | stjepan_ | soo. i answered your questions.
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18:31 | stjepan_ | what now?:OP
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18:31 | Bertl | now you ask sebastian for more footage :)
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18:31 | kaiserlich | re: saying something: this channel is being logged (; so i would've been able to read what you wrote anyway
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18:32 | Spirit532 | Bertl, are you the guy with the beard on the team talk?
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18:32 | Bertl | unlikely
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18:32 | kaiserlich | *tries to imagine Bertl with a beard*
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18:33 | Spirit532 | guess not D:
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18:33 | Bertl | usually I'm the guy in the suit :)
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18:33 | Spirit532 | oh
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18:33 | stjepan_ | ii dont like mens in suits
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18:34 | Bertl | but you like women in suits?
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18:34 | kaiserlich | babies in suits
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18:34 | kaiserlich | dogs in suits
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18:34 | stjepan_ | no
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18:34 | Bertl | how about aliens in suits?
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18:34 | stjepan_ | no
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18:34 | Bertl | so you do not like suits in general?
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18:35 | stjepan_ | only male muscular guys in suits.^^ but without top part of the suit
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18:35 | kaiserlich | lol
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18:35 | stjepan_ | just the fliege
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18:35 | stjepan_ | :3
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18:35 | stjepan_ | perhaps a krawatte
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18:35 | kaiserlich | does that still count as (full) suit tho
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18:35 | stjepan_ | hm
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18:35 | kaiserlich | hmmm
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18:35 | stjepan_ | dunno
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18:36 | Bertl | I see ...
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18:36 | stjepan_ | but it looks sexy :3
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18:36 | kaiserlich | so no suits except suits-without-suits
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18:36 | kaiserlich | worn by the right people (;
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18:37 | stjepan_ | <3
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18:37 | stjepan_ | is here a arri user?
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18:37 | stjepan_ | who owns it?
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18:37 | stjepan_ | ich parshipe jetzt
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18:37 | stjepan_ | XD
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18:38 | stjepan_ | schip, schip. schnee XD
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18:38 | kaiserlich | only with arri users? (:
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18:38 | Bertl | I don't think arri users are hanging out here very much
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18:39 | stjepan_ | arri users are snobs? ;D
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18:39 | Spirit532 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9NkEMuBJs0
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18:39 | Bertl | maybe, but I don't think they are the typical IRC users
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18:39 | Spirit532 | well here's something quite cool
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18:39 | Spirit532 | 1kfps THERMAL
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18:39 | Spirit532 | and barely any noise
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18:41 | kaiserlich | i'd guess the more high-end a product is, the less likely its users are to form a community around it
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18:42 | Spirit532 | I just stumbled upon this gem as well
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18:42 | Spirit532 | http://hispeedcams.com/sfc-1-million-fps-for-under-1500/
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18:42 | Spirit532 | a whopping 7 terabytes of RAM in a handheld package for $1499
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18:43 | Spirit532 | this was a nice april fools joke
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18:44 | Rex0r | Possibly kaiserlich yeah.
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18:44 | Spirit532 | I don't think it's true, kaiserlich
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18:44 | Rex0r | For a number of reasons.
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18:44 | Spirit532 | It's just a niche product
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18:44 | Spirit532 | Most of the people using it don't share tips & tricks
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18:44 | Spirit532 | they want it to be THEIRS
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18:44 | stjepan_ | i wouldn't give my arri to others too.. in their hands
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18:45 | Spirit532 | not even give
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18:45 | Spirit532 | just not share anything that would make another filmmaker better
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18:45 | stjepan_ | http://hispeedcams.com/sfc-1-million-fps-for-under-1500/ isnt working
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18:45 | Spirit532 | it's a joke anyway
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18:45 | stjepan_ | :<
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18:46 | kaiserlich | i was thinking in more general terms. though hmm, yeah, there are probably also online communities for helicopter owners (; etc.
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18:46 | stjepan_ | lol
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18:46 | Spirit532 | well, yeah
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18:47 | Spirit532 | but high-end cinema stuff doesn't usually go to the average joe
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18:47 | Spirit532 | who might actually own a helicopter
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18:47 | kaiserlich | how so?
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18:47 | Spirit532 | nobody expects people to vlog on RED Mysteriums and strap arris to a bike with duct tape
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18:48 | stjepan_ | whoever buys me a apertus, i'll make my 1st film with the script of the purchaser
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18:48 | kaiserlich | i guess it depends on if these high-end products are used for business or if they are hobbies
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18:48 | Spirit532 | that could be
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18:49 | kaiserlich | if the camera is just a tool, you're probably less interested (and too busy working with it) to go seek out fellow users to chat with them about it on end
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18:50 | stjepan_ | but i thought if someone has this as business its his hobbys
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18:50 | kaiserlich | a yacht owner who's yachting for fun (which i'd assume is what most private yacht owners do) is something different
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18:50 | kaiserlich | *their
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18:50 | kaiserlich | not necessarily...
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18:51 | kaiserlich | hobby != interest, i'd say
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18:51 | stjepan_ | eh
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18:55 | kaiserlich | i think most businesses main interest is to make money (;
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18:56 | stjepan_ | i think i want make money too with apertus?
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19:00 | stjepan_ | bu then i wouldn't have time for chatting i think o.o
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19:01 | stjepan_ | if i make movies 7 days a week
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19:01 | kaiserlich | probably (:
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19:01 | stjepan_ | so that means you're all lazy :D?
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19:01 | stjepan_ | dont work much ?:D
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19:05 | stjepan_ | im learning photoshop and web dev and 3d art atm
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19:05 | stjepan_ | just saying
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19:05 | stjepan_ | graphic design: photoshop
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19:19 | Bertl | so mostly proprietary software then?
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19:22 | stjepan_ | software. yes
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19:23 | stjepan_ | i dont need it to be the owner of the software
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19:23 | stjepan_ | im just using it
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19:27 | Bertl | yeah, some people care about privacy and security ... and some don't
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19:27 | stjepan_ | you think adobe will sell my stuff made with their products?
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19:28 | kaiserlich | i think Bertl meant that they know a lot about what you're up to
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19:28 | kaiserlich | i like working with adobe products (the ones i know anyway) ^^ but don't let them 'phone home'
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19:29 | stjepan_ | i didnt let t hem do it
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19:29 | stjepan_ | just block it or?
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19:30 | kaiserlich | i think there's a loooong list of domains/ips you have to block
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19:30 | stjepan_ | but what does they look at my pc?
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19:30 | stjepan_ | does a human look at it? or a software?
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19:31 | kaiserlich | software. and i don't think it's looking at your PC per se, but at your usage of adobe products. what you're doing with(in) their programs
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19:31 | stjepan_ | yes. to improve their software.
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19:31 | stjepan_ | that is good thing
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19:32 | kaiserlich | well... that's what they say
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19:32 | stjepan_ | what else should they watch at my adobe using?
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19:32 | kaiserlich | wasn't it adobe products that crashed for this one person who then started to write funny feedback answers? i dunno if they ever heard back from adobe...
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19:32 | stjepan_ | at my usage of adobe products
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19:33 | kaiserlich | well, they would know at which times you use their software, for example
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19:33 | stjepan_ | hm
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19:33 | Bertl | or what your clipboard contains
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19:33 | stjepan_ | and why is this bad for me?
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19:33 | kaiserlich | and what business of theirs is it to know you mostly use photoshop between 3 and 4 am
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19:34 | stjepan_ | dunno
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19:34 | stjepan_ | but why is it bad
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19:34 | stjepan_ | tell me a logical argument
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19:34 | Bertl | yeah, I know you have nothing to hide ... yada, yada
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19:34 | stjepan_ | hide?
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19:34 | stjepan_ | naked pics?
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19:34 | stjepan_ | i have.
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19:34 | kaiserlich | well, i'm sure adobe is watched by the NSA, so
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19:36 | kaiserlich | you might not care about this right now, but all these organisations are amassing data and we don't know what the world will look like in, say, 10 years, and maybe then we don't want them to know we once copy-pasted that one url, or that one e-mail address etc.
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19:37 | Bertl | it's not just that, with all the backdoors and special arrangements for goverments and surveilance, you get more and more open to attacks as well
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19:38 | stjepan_ | so you're just speculating, huh?
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19:38 | Bertl | maybe adobe has a 'remote control' feature built into photoshop?
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19:38 | Bertl | well, as we don't know the source, it is hard to tell
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19:38 | stjepan_ | you should try it with forex or cfd :D
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19:39 | stjepan_ | high risk trading
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19:39 | stjepan_ | who says gimp isn't wathcing you?
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19:39 | Bertl | the source code
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19:39 | stjepan_ | or any other software.
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19:39 | stjepan_ | the code oO
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19:40 | stjepan_ | ther could still be code hidden somewhere
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19:40 | Bertl | nope
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19:40 | kaiserlich | stjepan_ check out the info on and videos of talks given at the CCC (Chaos Communication Congress), we are not just speculating, lots of interesting info to be found in these talks (also for non-techies, though some are more technical)
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19:40 | stjepan_ | so you analysed gimps code completely?
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19:41 | stjepan_ | Bertl:
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19:41 | kaiserlich | obviously not all code is being analysed all the time, by everyone. and sometimes bad stuff in code (that is publicly available) goes unnoticed for years
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19:41 | kaiserlich | BUT
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19:42 | kaiserlich | the difference is that it _can_ be looked at and analysed
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19:42 | stjepan_ | but you didnt analyse it!!!!!!
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19:42 | kaiserlich | unlike proprietary code
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19:42 | stjepan_ | so y ou cant say anything
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19:43 | stjepan_ | -_-
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19:43 | kaiserlich | well maybe Bertl _has_ looked at gimp's code. or maybe he's read reports/articles/blog posts by people who have
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19:43 | stjepan_ | but that is a 2nd opinion. so....
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19:44 | stjepan_ | you have to see it with our own eyes.
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19:44 | kaiserlich | why?
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19:44 | stjepan_ | you cannot trust others?
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19:44 | Bertl | well, I trust proper statistics :)
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19:45 | kaiserlich | we trust other people all the time. we can't do everything ourselves...
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19:45 | stjepan_ | and i play games. so i can not use linux os
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19:46 | stjepan_ | soi wh at can i do to be 100% private?
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19:46 | kaiserlich | there's steam for linux. though that isn't open source either :P
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19:46 | stjepan_ | all my games ar eon steam
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19:47 | kaiserlich | no, i meant using linux doesn't mean you cannot play any games at all
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19:47 | Bertl | so you are on windows, well, then don't bother replacing prorietary apps with open source ones
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19:47 | Bertl | *proprietary
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19:47 | stjepan_ | :D
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19:47 | stjepan_ | my games dont work without steam
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19:48 | Bertl | your OS already records most of what you're doing
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19:48 | stjepan_ | i know
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19:48 | stjepan_ | what do you think did the record-stuff begu/an?
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19:48 | stjepan_ | win 89?
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19:49 | Bertl | microsoft was always interested in data, so I think spying on the users has been a priority for a very long time
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19:50 | stjepan_ | all this idiots cry bcs "win 10 stoles your data"
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19:50 | stjepan_ | :DD
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19:50 | stjepan_ | these*
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19:50 | stjepan_ | they dont believe me that they do it much longer
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19:51 | stjepan_ | can i combine apertus modules with dslr somehow?
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19:59 | Bertl | in what way?
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19:59 | stjepan_ | perhaps i could take the dslr sensor?^ and just place it inside am module?
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20:00 | Bertl | yes, if you have enough documentation for the sensor, you can build a sensor frontend for it
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20:00 | stjepan_ | why will you even have modules?
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20:00 | stjepan_ | are there so many styles?
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20:01 | Bertl | different people want different sensors
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20:01 | Bertl | or output modules, etc
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20:01 | stjepan_ | but only 35mm?
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20:01 | stjepan_ | will you give a guide how to decide what modules to buy?
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20:03 | Bertl | probably
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20:15 | Spirit532 | don't think a DSLR sensors would be useful, because A) they're heavily under NDAs and you can't exactly sell a reverse-engineered module, and B) they're highly proprietary and nobody will sell you a thousand modules outside the camera
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20:17 | danieel | why you cant sell a reverse engineered module? in CZ we have a law that the reverse engineering is allowable practice if needed for system integration
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20:18 | Bertl | same is true for Austria
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20:18 | danieel | the other point is valid - the source of the sensors on "free" market (e.g. ebay) might not be an acceptable practice - those special goods are usually stolen ones
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20:19 | danieel | the DSLR sensors are good for what they are made for.. stills photography. For video.. they suck, no matter if you have or not the documentation.. they wont perform any better
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20:43 | stjepan | hi techydude
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20:45 | techydude | hey @Bertl Regarding the SensorIF PCB v0.18r1.3 on OSH Park now, are the ZIF socket pads capped (because of the via-in-pad)? The set we had made up last Christmas were not, and are rather unreliable.
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20:45 | techydude | hi stjepan
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20:45 | Bertl | we toyed around with different variations for the boards
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20:46 | Bertl | it really depends on the assembly process, for example for manual assembly, you want the bottom side to be open to test the connectivity
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20:46 | techydude | what did you settle on lately?
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20:47 | Bertl | and it is fine for hot plate reflow as well
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20:47 | stjepan | who used pomodoro technique?
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20:47 | stjepan | who uses* pomodoro technique?
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20:47 | Bertl | for vapor phase reflow, you probably want to go with the tented vias
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20:48 | Bertl | but if you are not manufacturing those at oshpark, I would suggest to fill them :)
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20:48 | techydude | tented is different from capped.
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20:48 | techydude | oh, you mean tented on the bottom?
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20:48 | Bertl | yup
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20:49 | techydude | oh ok. well, yeah, that one non-optimal way to do it... ;)
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20:49 | techydude | ok so here's the deal:
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20:49 | techydude | we had a bunch of Power v0.25 & SensorIF v0.18r1.3 PCBs made up at SF Circuits.
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20:49 | Bertl | but I'm wondering why you want to go for the ZIF version at all?
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20:51 | Bertl | I mean, it would probably be simpler to either solder the sensor directly onto the SFE or use socket strips
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20:51 | techydude | so that's the latest 0.25 Power not yet published to the wiki, and our run of SensorIF v0.18r.13 also had capped pads and were filled. so great for reflow as well.
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20:51 | techydude | they have a bunch of left-over bare PCBs from that run, which they're willing to sell "at cost".
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20:52 | Bertl | power board we are currently at 0.27 :)
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20:52 | techydude | for Power v0.25 PCB that's US$10.89 each (they have 14 left over).
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20:52 | Bertl | ah, okay, got it
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20:52 | Bertl | yeah, that sounds like a good price
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20:53 | techydude | for SensorIF v0.18r.13 with capped via-in-pads, US$15.30 each (they have 8 left over).
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20:53 | techydude | OSH Park is nearly 3x that for the Power PCB, but the Sensor IF is about the same, given the capped vias.
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20:54 | Bertl | yeah, I presume they are green though?
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20:54 | techydude | so I just wanted to let you & anyone else in the community know, if you're interested in buying them, we're happy to tell SF Circuits to make them available to anyone.
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20:54 | techydude | they are green, yes.
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20:54 | Bertl | anyway, sounds like a good price to me, so we will find somebody interested and/or buy them ourselves I guess, thanks for letting us know
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20:55 | techydude | i'm having flashbacks to that scene in Babylon 5 involving the Drazi arguing over the colours of their sahes... :p
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20:55 | Bertl | hehe
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20:56 | Bertl | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcBTOU7RvbU
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20:57 | techydude | oh I see you have finally published Power v0.25 :)
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20:57 | techydude | what's different about 0.27?
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20:58 | Bertl | we did some fixes to the microSD, decoupling and pull-ups
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20:58 | techydude | oh good, all things we don't need :p
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20:59 | techydude | honestly i was shocked when SF Circuits wanted to charge for the overage - EVERY other PCB fab house I've used just sends their overage with the requested qty. they claim that charging for overage is "industry standard". maybe in the USA... :-/
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21:00 | techydude | otherwise we would've just given them to you or others here.
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21:00 | stjepan | i understand nothing while reading here
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21:00 | stjepan | :DD
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21:00 | Bertl | techydude: maybe suggest to them to get a big banner on our web site on the contributions page?
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21:01 | Bertl | if they make those PCBs available for free ... maybe that is a big enough motivation
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21:01 | Bertl | stjepan: well, some discussions are more technical here
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21:01 | techydude | I shall suggest that to them :)
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21:02 | techydude | our sales rep is away at an exhibition this week, so he'll probably get back to me next week.
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21:03 | Bertl | great! thanks in advance!
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21:06 | Bertl | ah, I'm off for a nap ... bbl
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21:06 | Bertl | changed nick to: Bertl_zZ
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21:06 | stjepan | tesat
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21:06 | stjepan | test*
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21:06 | Spirit532 | techydude, try dirtypcbs for lulz
| 21:06 | stjepan | is now on hexchat
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21:06 | Spirit532 | see if those boards will actually work
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21:07 | Spirit532 | it's dirt cheap, as the name says
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21:11 | techydude | thanks, i'll check them out for prototypes
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21:11 | Spirit532 | here's their cheaper store
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21:11 | Spirit532 | http://dev.dangerousprototypes.com/store/pcbs
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21:15 | stjepan | hm
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