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2016/05/03

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Bertl
off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
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RexO
Day begins.
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(5:00am)
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... pretty wet outside here though.
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se6astian
good morning
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Hey
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Bertl
morning folks!
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stjepan
oh
17:17
stjepan
lot of guys here ^^
17:17
stjepan
are here younger ones? under 25?
17:18
Bertl
probably
17:18
stjepan
will this camera get the arri look?
17:19
Bertl
do you fear the older ones will not understand you?
17:19
stjepan
yes
17:19
stjepan
that is common for me
17:19
Bertl
interesting ...
17:19
stjepan
they do not understand my joyness
17:20
stjepan
joy*
17:20
stjepan
so. b2t
17:20
stjepan
arri look?
17:20
Bertl
hmm, not sure what the arri look is actually
17:21
stjepan
just look at films made in arri?
17:21
stjepan
o.o
17:21
stjepan
you will see immediately the arri look
17:21
stjepan
the most beuatiful look a camera can give you
17:22
stjepan
beautifulÃ
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stjepan
*
17:22
kaiserlich
must go check the nicks, do they all sound so manly? (re: guys in here)
17:22
stjepan
ik bin au ein deutscher
17:22
Bertl
we are not germans :)
17:23
kaiserlich
i'm not german :P
17:23
stjepan
ich rede nicht über dich bertl -.-
17:24
Bertl
anyway, I have no idea about the arri look, but IIRC they also use (or used to use) CMOSIS sensor(s)
17:24
stjepan
komisch. hervert@floor.at aber server in NL
17:25
Bertl
did you check out the demo footage yet?
17:25
stjepan
how can i move to munich to make a internship if i do not have rich parents?
17:25
stjepan
the older ones ,yes
17:25
Bertl
if so, you should immediately know the answer to your question
17:25
stjepan
apertus has to less raw and graded videos
17:26
Bertl
check with se6astian when he comes back, I'm sure there is a ton of footage available
17:27
stjepan
ok
17:27
stjepan
but how about that internship problem?
17:28
Bertl
no idea, why would you want to move to munich?
17:28
kaiserlich
are you asking about an internship with apertus? i interpreted the above to mean you are doing an internship right now, in Munich, and that that's only possible because you have rich parents.
17:28
stjepan
arri offers a internship as a loaner
17:29
stjepan
in the middle of munich... T__T
17:29
Bertl
you can try to get adopted?
17:29
kaiserlich
lol
17:29
stjepan
haha
17:29
stjepan
i'm 23?
17:30
Bertl
do you look nice? rich parents want nice looking children :)
17:30
stjepan
xD
17:30
Bertl
if you're ugly, you won't get adopted ...
17:30
stjepan
what's wrong with you
17:30
Bertl
hey, I'm offering options here for your 'rich parents' problem
17:31
stjepan
you can replace "rich parents" with something else.
17:31
kaiserlich
"a cat"
17:31
Bertl
so you don't have a cat
17:31
kaiserlich
):
17:32
stjepan
a job won't do it
17:32
stjepan
i can work 35h at arri and 35 at a job for money oO
17:32
kaiserlich
i don't have a cat either, but i also want to go to munich... (just for a visit though) uh-oh
17:33
Bertl
that's 70 hours but the week has 168 hours, no?
17:33
stjepan
i sleep 50 h a week
17:33
Bertl
even if you sleep half the time, you still got 14 hours left
17:33
stjepan
and perhaps i need food, cooking, playing
17:33
stjepan
and sport
17:33
Bertl
so plenty of time left then
17:33
stjepan
uh. not.
17:34
stjepan
nice joke
17:34
stjepan
20h week = plenty time ? :D
17:34
Bertl
168-50-70 = 48h
17:34
Bertl
that's almost 7 hours a day!!
17:34
kaiserlich
lol
17:34
stjepan
yes. if only 1 job.
17:34
stjepan
then 7h a day
17:35
kaiserlich
also, maybe you can sleep fewer hours. at 23 that should be doable
17:35
Bertl
no, with 70 hour/week work
17:35
stjepan
if 2 than nothing
17:35
stjepan
i need a lot sleep
17:35
Bertl
you said 50 hours
17:35
kaiserlich
tell me about it! (i'm not 23)
17:35
stjepan
70 h / week are 15h a day working.
17:35
stjepan
24-15-8= x
17:35
Rex0r
Bertl hasn't slept for two weeks. He's plugged into the mains though.
17:36
stjepan
= 1
17:36
kaiserlich
haha
17:36
stjepan
noo way
17:36
stjepan
damn life. so unfair
17:36
stjepan
if you are poor, you will stay non-wealthy
17:37
Bertl
so you want to get rich, not do something useful then?
17:38
stjepan
not rich.
17:38
stjepan
was just a saying
17:39
Bertl
where is the joyfulness? sounds pretty depressing to me
17:39
stjepan
adult stuff is indeed very sad
17:40
stjepan
what did you guys learn?
17:41
Bertl
a lot of interesting stuff
17:41
stjepan
as a job? what apprenticeship?
17:42
Bertl
in short university, physics, computer sciences, as hobby electronics
17:42
stjepan
oh jesus
17:42
stjepan
im out here
17:43
stjepan
quits.
17:43
Bertl
you don't like science?
17:43
stjepan
reading about it, i like
17:44
Bertl
well, we are building a camera, so we need to know and apply it as well ...
17:44
stjepan
we?
17:44
stjepan
aren't you only a pre-buyer?
17:44
Bertl
nope
17:44
stjepan
oh ok
17:44
Rex0r
Bertl is AXIOM Technical Lead
17:45
Spirit532
most of the people here are related to development in one way or another
17:45
stjepan
i thought apertus is developing their camera in munich?
17:45
Bertl
nope
17:45
Rex0r
Vienna
17:45
stjepan
or in germany at least :D
17:45
Bertl
nope
17:45
stjepan
ok in vvienna
17:45
Bertl
yep
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Bertl
well, at least in the vicinity
17:46
Spirit532
deep under ground
17:46
Spirit532
in a secret bunker
17:46
stjepan
ooooh
17:46
Bertl
lair
17:46
stjepan
and who is Bertl ?
17:46
Rex0r
You heard of a hair cave?
17:46
Spirit532
technical lead
17:46
Spirit532
he leads technical stuff
17:47
stjepan
no. i meant: who are the others here
17:47
Spirit532
they're humans
17:47
stjepan
i'm not°
17:48
Bertl
developers, backers, followers, curious folks ...
17:48
Rex0r
I'm one of the curious folks.
17:49
stjepan
aliens. <-
17:49
Bertl
more than one? that's interesting
17:49
stjepan
do you plan a 65 mm kit?
17:50
Spirit532
if you're content with 3fps and an $12000 price tag
17:50
Spirit532
lol
17:50
Spirit532
I think that's what the CHR70M costs
17:50
stjepan
why so bad ?
17:50
stjepan
arri can do it too
17:51
Spirit532
do they have a 65mm sensor?
17:51
Spirit532
huh, they do
17:51
stjepan
they did, they do. o.o
17:52
stjepan
2 yrs of develeopment
17:52
Bertl
but their cameras are a different price class too
17:52
Spirit532
yeah, you're not getting a 65mm 21MP sensor for cheap
17:52
stjepan
but you are making modulars. so you can make cheap and expensive modulars?
17:52
Bertl
yes, we can
17:53
Spirit532
in fact, I don't think there is a readily available 65mm sensor at all
17:53
Spirit532
and if it is, it's probably behind an NDA
17:53
Spirit532
or 8 NDAs
17:53
Spirit532
depending on the tightness of the manufacturer's rectum
17:53
stjepan
you hate arri?
17:54
Spirit532
I don't
17:54
Spirit532
but it's expensive
17:54
stjepan
not really if you have a nice income?
17:54
Spirit532
do you need an apertus then?
17:54
stjepan
its not about me now.
17:54
Spirit532
the people that can afford an arri and want one already have one
17:55
stjepan
arri amira costs like a nice middle-high-class-car? :D
17:55
stjepan
just do not buy the trashy car
17:56
Spirit532
the axiom is aimed at the lower end of the market
17:56
Spirit532
as cheap it can be whilst still providing the best image quality
17:56
stjepan
i hope the image will look good .__.
17:57
Spirit532
it does
17:57
Spirit532
the CMV12000 is a good sensor
17:57
stjepan
better than bmc 4k p?
17:58
Spirit532
probably
17:59
stjepan
why do you hide your ip?^^
17:59
stjepan
oh you dont
18:00
stjepan
but who are you now? more cinema-nerds or it-nerds?
18:00
Bertl
a mix I would say
18:00
Spirit532
all of it
18:01
Spirit532
I'm a really technical guy, but I just spectate
18:01
Spirit532
I'm too poor to afford even a devkit
18:02
stjepan
so you make movies too?
18:02
Spirit532
I don't.
18:02
stjepan
why are you then here?
18:02
stjepan
oO
18:02
Spirit532
again, I'm a technical guy
18:02
Spirit532
the axiom allows fora whole range of neat things
18:02
stjepan
not again, i do not understand ?
18:03
Spirit532
I may or may not be basing off the beta to create a high speed camera
18:03
Spirit532
though not sure about anything yet
18:03
Spirit532
my goal is to do this: http://hackaday.com/2016/05/03/atmel-removes-full-swing-crystal-oscillator/
18:03
Spirit532
damnit
18:03
Spirit532
not this
18:03
Spirit532
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuUZjXQCuJw
18:03
Spirit532
this.
18:03
stjepan
dont show me your p0rn pls
18:03
Spirit532
with my own hardware, in color, tweaked
18:04
Spirit532
and to also film day-to-day stuff whenever I need
18:04
stjepan
white font on black background... damn.. i hate this one who designed this site
18:04
Spirit532
I am not very statisfied with my hardware, of which I still have quite a bit
18:04
Spirit532
don't look at the had page, look at the youtube video ;-;
18:05
stjepan
oh
18:05
stjepan
sry
18:05
stjepan
10k fps is so boring. but ok. better than 0
18:05
Spirit532
just a bad subject
18:05
Spirit532
the first thing I had on hand
18:06
Spirit532
but the camera I'm shooting that with is very locked down and limited
18:06
Rex0r
I thought it was excellent.
18:06
Spirit532
it is!
18:06
Spirit532
but I want more.
18:06
Spirit532
I want full control, my design, my features
18:07
Bertl
Rex0r: it is excellently locked and limted :)
18:07
Spirit532
well, yeah
18:07
Spirit532
there's that
18:07
Spirit532
but it's a $60 000 machine
18:07
Rex0r
But the possibilities with a good story. I'm a big fan of slo-mo.
18:08
Spirit532
so am I
18:08
Spirit532
I have already found a cheap($600) sensor that will do FHD @ 1000fps if overclocked(to manufacturer's spec, too!)
18:08
Spirit532
but there's a lot of problems at those speeds
18:09
Spirit532
for example, the beta camera will not be able to handle that, as you'd need a ton of SODIMM ram, two or four slots
18:09
Rex0r
Edgertronic is $5000 iirc
18:09
Spirit532
it's garbage compared even to the beta in its current state.
18:09
Spirit532
it's using an ON Semi LUPA1300-2 sensor
18:09
Spirit532
which is $1200
18:10
Spirit532
it only does HD @ ~700fps
18:10
Spirit532
it has SOLDERED ON flash memory for recording
18:10
Rex0r
Right.
18:10
Spirit532
actually, no, it's also got 16GB of DDR3
18:10
Bertl
maybe at some point we will do a high speed AXIOM :)
18:11
Spirit532
maybe with an FPGA to handle high speed recording?
18:11
Spirit532
add another layer to the sandwich
18:12
kaiserlich
so, stjepan, do you make movies? so far we only know you want to work with/at arri, but not the why
18:15
kaiserlich
... or what your interest in the beta is (;
18:16
stjepan
wait
18:17
stjepan
i dont. i never did. ^^ i am just interested in movie making
18:17
stjepan
cinematography*
18:18
stjepan
why? because, IMHO, arri has the cameras, with a very beautiful image
18:18
stjepan
if not the most beautiful
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stjepan
kaiserlich:
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stjepan
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stjepan_
^hm
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stjepan_
chat is dead :D
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se6astian|away
changed nick to: se6astian
18:29
stjepan_
kaiserlich: :<
18:29
kaiserlich
oups
18:30
stjepan_
say something :O
18:30
kaiserlich
something :O
18:30
stjepan_
thank u^^
18:31
stjepan_
soo. i answered your questions.
18:31
stjepan_
what now?:OP
18:31
Bertl
now you ask sebastian for more footage :)
18:31
kaiserlich
re: saying something: this channel is being logged (; so i would've been able to read what you wrote anyway
18:32
Spirit532
Bertl, are you the guy with the beard on the team talk?
18:32
Bertl
unlikely
18:32
kaiserlich
*tries to imagine Bertl with a beard*
18:33
Spirit532
guess not D:
18:33
Bertl
usually I'm the guy in the suit :)
18:33
Spirit532
oh
18:33
stjepan_
ii dont like mens in suits
18:34
Bertl
but you like women in suits?
18:34
kaiserlich
babies in suits
18:34
kaiserlich
dogs in suits
18:34
stjepan_
no
18:34
Bertl
how about aliens in suits?
18:34
stjepan_
no
18:34
Bertl
so you do not like suits in general?
18:35
stjepan_
only male muscular guys in suits.^^ but without top part of the suit
18:35
kaiserlich
lol
18:35
stjepan_
just the fliege
18:35
stjepan_
:3
18:35
stjepan_
perhaps a krawatte
18:35
kaiserlich
does that still count as (full) suit tho
18:35
stjepan_
hm
18:35
kaiserlich
hmmm
18:35
stjepan_
dunno
18:36
Bertl
I see ...
18:36
stjepan_
but it looks sexy :3
18:36
kaiserlich
so no suits except suits-without-suits
18:36
kaiserlich
worn by the right people (;
18:37
stjepan_
<3
18:37
stjepan_
is here a arri user?
18:37
stjepan_
who owns it?
18:37
stjepan_
ich parshipe jetzt
18:37
stjepan_
XD
18:38
stjepan_
schip, schip. schnee XD
18:38
kaiserlich
only with arri users? (:
18:38
Bertl
I don't think arri users are hanging out here very much
18:39
stjepan_
arri users are snobs? ;D
18:39
Spirit532
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9NkEMuBJs0
18:39
Bertl
maybe, but I don't think they are the typical IRC users
18:39
Spirit532
well here's something quite cool
18:39
Spirit532
1kfps THERMAL
18:39
Spirit532
and barely any noise
18:41
kaiserlich
i'd guess the more high-end a product is, the less likely its users are to form a community around it
18:42
Spirit532
I just stumbled upon this gem as well
18:42
Spirit532
http://hispeedcams.com/sfc-1-million-fps-for-under-1500/
18:42
Spirit532
a whopping 7 terabytes of RAM in a handheld package for $1499
18:43
Spirit532
this was a nice april fools joke
18:44
Rex0r
Possibly kaiserlich yeah.
18:44
Spirit532
I don't think it's true, kaiserlich
18:44
Rex0r
For a number of reasons.
18:44
Spirit532
It's just a niche product
18:44
Spirit532
Most of the people using it don't share tips & tricks
18:44
Spirit532
they want it to be THEIRS
18:44
stjepan_
i wouldn't give my arri to others too.. in their hands
18:45
Spirit532
not even give
18:45
Spirit532
just not share anything that would make another filmmaker better
18:45
stjepan_
http://hispeedcams.com/sfc-1-million-fps-for-under-1500/ isnt working
18:45
Spirit532
it's a joke anyway
18:45
stjepan_
:<
18:46
kaiserlich
i was thinking in more general terms. though hmm, yeah, there are probably also online communities for helicopter owners (; etc.
18:46
stjepan_
lol
18:46
Spirit532
well, yeah
18:47
Spirit532
but high-end cinema stuff doesn't usually go to the average joe
18:47
Spirit532
who might actually own a helicopter
18:47
kaiserlich
how so?
18:47
Spirit532
nobody expects people to vlog on RED Mysteriums and strap arris to a bike with duct tape
18:48
stjepan_
whoever buys me a apertus, i'll make my 1st film with the script of the purchaser
18:48
kaiserlich
i guess it depends on if these high-end products are used for business or if they are hobbies
18:48
Spirit532
that could be
18:49
kaiserlich
if the camera is just a tool, you're probably less interested (and too busy working with it) to go seek out fellow users to chat with them about it on end
18:50
stjepan_
but i thought if someone has this as business its his hobbys
18:50
kaiserlich
a yacht owner who's yachting for fun (which i'd assume is what most private yacht owners do) is something different
18:50
kaiserlich
*their
18:50
kaiserlich
not necessarily...
18:51
kaiserlich
hobby != interest, i'd say
18:51
stjepan_
eh
18:55
kaiserlich
i think most businesses main interest is to make money (;
18:56
stjepan_
i think i want make money too with apertus?
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stjepan_
bu then i wouldn't have time for chatting i think o.o
19:01
stjepan_
if i make movies 7 days a week
19:01
kaiserlich
probably (:
19:01
stjepan_
so that means you're all lazy :D?
19:01
stjepan_
dont work much ?:D
19:05
stjepan_
im learning photoshop and web dev and 3d art atm
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stjepan_
just saying
19:05
stjepan_
graphic design: photoshop
19:19
Bertl
so mostly proprietary software then?
19:22
stjepan_
software. yes
19:23
stjepan_
i dont need it to be the owner of the software
19:23
stjepan_
im just using it
19:27
Bertl
yeah, some people care about privacy and security ... and some don't
19:27
stjepan_
you think adobe will sell my stuff made with their products?
19:28
kaiserlich
i think Bertl meant that they know a lot about what you're up to
19:28
kaiserlich
i like working with adobe products (the ones i know anyway) ^^ but don't let them 'phone home'
19:29
stjepan_
i didnt let t hem do it
19:29
stjepan_
just block it or?
19:30
kaiserlich
i think there's a loooong list of domains/ips you have to block
19:30
stjepan_
but what does they look at my pc?
19:30
stjepan_
does a human look at it? or a software?
19:31
kaiserlich
software. and i don't think it's looking at your PC per se, but at your usage of adobe products. what you're doing with(in) their programs
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stjepan_
yes. to improve their software.
19:31
stjepan_
that is good thing
19:32
kaiserlich
well... that's what they say
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stjepan_
what else should they watch at my adobe using?
19:32
kaiserlich
wasn't it adobe products that crashed for this one person who then started to write funny feedback answers? i dunno if they ever heard back from adobe...
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stjepan_
at my usage of adobe products
19:33
kaiserlich
well, they would know at which times you use their software, for example
19:33
stjepan_
hm
19:33
Bertl
or what your clipboard contains
19:33
stjepan_
and why is this bad for me?
19:33
kaiserlich
and what business of theirs is it to know you mostly use photoshop between 3 and 4 am
19:34
stjepan_
dunno
19:34
stjepan_
but why is it bad
19:34
stjepan_
tell me a logical argument
19:34
Bertl
yeah, I know you have nothing to hide ... yada, yada
19:34
stjepan_
hide?
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stjepan_
naked pics?
19:34
stjepan_
i have.
19:34
kaiserlich
well, i'm sure adobe is watched by the NSA, so
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stjepan_
on a cloud
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kaiserlich
you might not care about this right now, but all these organisations are amassing data and we don't know what the world will look like in, say, 10 years, and maybe then we don't want them to know we once copy-pasted that one url, or that one e-mail address etc.
19:37
Bertl
it's not just that, with all the backdoors and special arrangements for goverments and surveilance, you get more and more open to attacks as well
19:38
stjepan_
so you're just speculating, huh?
19:38
Bertl
maybe adobe has a 'remote control' feature built into photoshop?
19:38
Bertl
well, as we don't know the source, it is hard to tell
19:38
stjepan_
you should try it with forex or cfd :D
19:39
stjepan_
high risk trading
19:39
stjepan_
who says gimp isn't wathcing you?
19:39
Bertl
the source code
19:39
stjepan_
or any other software.
19:39
stjepan_
the code oO
19:40
stjepan_
ther could still be code hidden somewhere
19:40
Bertl
nope
19:40
kaiserlich
stjepan_ check out the info on and videos of talks given at the CCC (Chaos Communication Congress), we are not just speculating, lots of interesting info to be found in these talks (also for non-techies, though some are more technical)
19:40
stjepan_
so you analysed gimps code completely?
19:41
stjepan_
Bertl:
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kaiserlich
obviously not all code is being analysed all the time, by everyone. and sometimes bad stuff in code (that is publicly available) goes unnoticed for years
19:41
kaiserlich
BUT
19:42
kaiserlich
the difference is that it _can_ be looked at and analysed
19:42
stjepan_
but you didnt analyse it!!!!!!
19:42
kaiserlich
unlike proprietary code
19:42
stjepan_
so y ou cant say anything
19:43
stjepan_
-_-
19:43
kaiserlich
well maybe Bertl _has_ looked at gimp's code. or maybe he's read reports/articles/blog posts by people who have
19:43
stjepan_
but that is a 2nd opinion. so....
19:44
stjepan_
you have to see it with our own eyes.
19:44
kaiserlich
why?
19:44
stjepan_
you cannot trust others?
19:44
Bertl
well, I trust proper statistics :)
19:45
kaiserlich
we trust other people all the time. we can't do everything ourselves...
19:45
stjepan_
and i play games. so i can not use linux os
19:46
stjepan_
soi wh at can i do to be 100% private?
19:46
kaiserlich
there's steam for linux. though that isn't open source either :P
19:46
stjepan_
all my games ar eon steam
19:47
kaiserlich
no, i meant using linux doesn't mean you cannot play any games at all
19:47
Bertl
so you are on windows, well, then don't bother replacing prorietary apps with open source ones
19:47
Bertl
*proprietary
19:47
stjepan_
:D
19:47
stjepan_
my games dont work without steam
19:48
Bertl
your OS already records most of what you're doing
19:48
stjepan_
i know
19:48
stjepan_
what do you think did the record-stuff begu/an?
19:48
stjepan_
win 89?
19:49
Bertl
microsoft was always interested in data, so I think spying on the users has been a priority for a very long time
19:50
stjepan_
all this idiots cry bcs "win 10 stoles your data"
19:50
stjepan_
:DD
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stjepan_
these*
19:50
stjepan_
they dont believe me that they do it much longer
19:51
stjepan_
can i combine apertus modules with dslr somehow?
19:59
Bertl
in what way?
19:59
stjepan_
perhaps i could take the dslr sensor?^ and just place it inside am module?
20:00
Bertl
yes, if you have enough documentation for the sensor, you can build a sensor frontend for it
20:00
stjepan_
why will you even have modules?
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stjepan_
are there so many styles?
20:01
Bertl
different people want different sensors
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Bertl
or output modules, etc
20:01
stjepan_
but only 35mm?
20:01
stjepan_
will you give a guide how to decide what modules to buy?
20:03
Bertl
probably
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Spirit532
don't think a DSLR sensors would be useful, because A) they're heavily under NDAs and you can't exactly sell a reverse-engineered module, and B) they're highly proprietary and nobody will sell you a thousand modules outside the camera
20:17
danieel
why you cant sell a reverse engineered module? in CZ we have a law that the reverse engineering is allowable practice if needed for system integration
20:18
Bertl
same is true for Austria
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danieel
the other point is valid - the source of the sensors on "free" market (e.g. ebay) might not be an acceptable practice - those special goods are usually stolen ones
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danieel
the DSLR sensors are good for what they are made for.. stills photography. For video.. they suck, no matter if you have or not the documentation.. they wont perform any better
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stjepan
hi techydude
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techydude
hey @Bertl Regarding the SensorIF PCB v0.18r1.3 on OSH Park now, are the ZIF socket pads capped (because of the via-in-pad)? The set we had made up last Christmas were not, and are rather unreliable.
20:45
techydude
hi stjepan
20:45
Bertl
we toyed around with different variations for the boards
20:46
Bertl
it really depends on the assembly process, for example for manual assembly, you want the bottom side to be open to test the connectivity
20:46
techydude
what did you settle on lately?
20:47
Bertl
and it is fine for hot plate reflow as well
20:47
stjepan
who used pomodoro technique?
20:47
stjepan
who uses* pomodoro technique?
20:47
Bertl
for vapor phase reflow, you probably want to go with the tented vias
20:48
Bertl
but if you are not manufacturing those at oshpark, I would suggest to fill them :)
20:48
techydude
tented is different from capped.
20:48
techydude
oh, you mean tented on the bottom?
20:48
Bertl
yup
20:49
techydude
oh ok. well, yeah, that one non-optimal way to do it... ;)
20:49
techydude
ok so here's the deal:
20:49
techydude
we had a bunch of Power v0.25 & SensorIF v0.18r1.3 PCBs made up at SF Circuits.
20:49
Bertl
but I'm wondering why you want to go for the ZIF version at all?
20:51
Bertl
I mean, it would probably be simpler to either solder the sensor directly onto the SFE or use socket strips
20:51
techydude
so that's the latest 0.25 Power not yet published to the wiki, and our run of SensorIF v0.18r.13 also had capped pads and were filled. so great for reflow as well.
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20:51
techydude
they have a bunch of left-over bare PCBs from that run, which they're willing to sell "at cost".
20:52
Bertl
power board we are currently at 0.27 :)
20:52
techydude
for Power v0.25 PCB that's US$10.89 each (they have 14 left over).
20:52
Bertl
ah, okay, got it
20:52
Bertl
yeah, that sounds like a good price
20:53
techydude
for SensorIF v0.18r.13 with capped via-in-pads, US$15.30 each (they have 8 left over).
20:53
techydude
OSH Park is nearly 3x that for the Power PCB, but the Sensor IF is about the same, given the capped vias.
20:54
Bertl
yeah, I presume they are green though?
20:54
techydude
so I just wanted to let you & anyone else in the community know, if you're interested in buying them, we're happy to tell SF Circuits to make them available to anyone.
20:54
techydude
they are green, yes.
20:54
Bertl
anyway, sounds like a good price to me, so we will find somebody interested and/or buy them ourselves I guess, thanks for letting us know
20:55
techydude
i'm having flashbacks to that scene in Babylon 5 involving the Drazi arguing over the colours of their sahes... :p
20:55
Bertl
hehe
20:56
Bertl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcBTOU7RvbU
20:57
techydude
oh I see you have finally published Power v0.25 :)
20:57
techydude
what's different about 0.27?
20:58
Bertl
we did some fixes to the microSD, decoupling and pull-ups
20:58
techydude
oh good, all things we don't need :p
20:59
techydude
honestly i was shocked when SF Circuits wanted to charge for the overage - EVERY other PCB fab house I've used just sends their overage with the requested qty. they claim that charging for overage is "industry standard". maybe in the USA... :-/
21:00
techydude
otherwise we would've just given them to you or others here.
21:00
stjepan
i understand nothing while reading here
21:00
stjepan
:DD
21:00
Bertl
techydude: maybe suggest to them to get a big banner on our web site on the contributions page?
21:01
Bertl
if they make those PCBs available for free ... maybe that is a big enough motivation
21:01
Bertl
stjepan: well, some discussions are more technical here
21:01
techydude
I shall suggest that to them :)
21:02
techydude
our sales rep is away at an exhibition this week, so he'll probably get back to me next week.
21:03
Bertl
great! thanks in advance!
21:06
Bertl
ah, I'm off for a nap ... bbl
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Bertl
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21:06
stjepan
tesat
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stjepan
test*
21:06
Spirit532
techydude, try dirtypcbs for lulz
21:06
stjepan
is now on hexchat
21:06
Spirit532
see if those boards will actually work
21:07
Spirit532
it's dirt cheap, as the name says
21:11
techydude
thanks, i'll check them out for prototypes
21:11
Spirit532
here's their cheaper store
21:11
Spirit532
http://dev.dangerousprototypes.com/store/pcbs
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stjepan
hm
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