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| 08:39 | se6astian | good morning
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| 12:59 | Bertl | morning folks!
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| 14:12 | intracube | what's the easiest way to point to a version of a file in github?
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| 14:14 | intracube | nevermind
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| 14:26 | se6astian | good day
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| 14:27 | intracube | hi se6astian
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| 14:27 | intracube | is testing a couple of things before replying to T420
| | 14:29 | se6astian | wonderful!
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| 14:41 | intracube | se6astian: http://yellerapp.com/posts/2015-01-12-the-worst-server-setup-you-can-make.html
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| 14:41 | intracube | :)
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| 14:41 | intracube | I'm not sure how correct that page is
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| 14:42 | intracube | seems a sane argument for UTC though
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| 14:57 | se6astian | your vote is for changing the irc viewer server timezone to UTC I assume?
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| 15:04 | intracube | se6astian: I think so
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| 15:04 | intracube | but it depends if the server is running anything else
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| 15:05 | intracube | which might inadvertently get altered
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| 15:05 | Bertl | changing the timezone in the php script should suffice, no?
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| 15:05 | intracube | I think the simplest is just to add date_default_timezone_set('UTC');
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| 15:05 | intracube | Bertl: yep
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| 15:06 | intracube | but I wasn't sure if Apache/PHP would know that the server OS was set to CET
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| 15:07 | intracube | or if Apache/PHP just assumes that whatever time it gets back is UTC
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| 15:07 | se6astian | I think I tried date_default_timezone_set('UTC'); and the PHP version was too old to support that
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| 15:07 | se6astian | but let me check
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| 15:07 | Bertl | (unix) time itself is timezone less
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| 15:07 | intracube | Bertl: ?
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| 15:08 | Bertl | it is just when you want a date representation, that you get e.g. CET
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| 15:08 | intracube | Bertl: ah ok. I didn't realise
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| 15:09 | Bertl | time in unix is not tied to any timezone
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| 15:09 | Bertl | it is the amount of seconds since 1.1.1970
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| 15:09 | intracube | right. so epoch is seconds from Jan 1st 1970 UTC
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| 15:10 | Bertl | i.e. it will be correct, regardless of the timezone, the problem only appears when you start converting from one to the other or to give a textual/numerical representation different from unix time
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| 15:10 | intracube | but since date("H:i") in index.php is returning 17:10 right now. PHP is translating the time
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| 15:10 | intracube | somewhere... :)
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| 15:11 | intracube | "Prior to PHP 5.4.0 only: Querying the host operating system (if supported and allowed by the OS). This uses an algorithm that has to guess the timezone. This is by no means going to work correctly for every situation. A warning is shown when this stage is reached. Do not rely on it to be guessed correctly, and set date.timezone to the correct timezone instead."
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| 15:12 | Bertl | here is my opinion on the issue(s):
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| 15:13 | Bertl | the logger is using UTC and also changes files based on UTC
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| 15:13 | Bertl | so, unless you want to do mapping of single entries/messages
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| 15:13 | Bertl | you want to go for UTC on the php script as well
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| 15:13 | intracube | yep
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| 15:14 | Bertl | today will then always be today, and "now" will be in sync with the logger
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| 15:14 | Bertl | if we want to support time zones at the web interface level
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| 15:14 | Bertl | we need to break the logs down into single "events" and use the unix timestamp there
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| 15:15 | Bertl | this will create "new" days according to the timezone
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| 15:17 | se6astian | I want to go for UTC in the log viewer as well
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| 15:17 | se6astian | we are running PHP Version 5.0.4, date_default_timezone_set requires (PHP 5 >= 5.1.0)
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| 15:18 | intracube | se6astian: what about editing php.ini ?
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| 15:18 | Bertl | that is probably a bad idea :)
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| 15:18 | intracube | and not supported before 5.1.0 anyway :/
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| 15:19 | intracube | and might break any other .php scripts
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| 15:19 | Bertl | but I think there is a timezone setting on older php, IIRC, it was there since 2.x :)
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| 15:22 | se6astian | http://php.net/manual/en/function.gmdate.php ?
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| 15:24 | Bertl | try ini_set( 'date.timezone', 'UTC' );
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| 15:28 | se6astian | done
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| 15:28 | se6astian | it still says: Current Server Time: 17:28 (Central Europe)
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| 15:29 | Bertl | check the logs, maybe the ini_set() is blocked by security
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| 15:29 | Bertl | can be overridden IIRC
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| 15:29 | se6astian | will check
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| 15:30 | Bertl | but maybe a php update is in order, 5.0.4 was released 2005 IIRC
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| 15:38 | se6astian | you do that every decade, "already"? :)
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| 15:38 | se6astian | php error reports only: [03-May-2015 17:16:23] PHP Fatal error: Call to undefined function date_default_timezone_set() in /domain/apertus.org/irc./html/index.php on line 2
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| 15:39 | se6astian | VLOG-2015-05-irc.apertus.org.log I dont have read permissions
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