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off for now ... bbl

hi supragya, how is it going?

well I am quite busy these days...

lab exams of hadoop tomorrow... :) (I know nothing about java though)

started to recover PCB inspection project, after i've lost the webpage prototype

well... I don't know anything about those too... some background maybe?

websockets for what? web remote?

websockets for daemon prototype

isn't there some web service for it already? how are you planning to build it?

A simple aws thing should do... If I am not wrong

yes for newsletters

a simple web instance connected to internet is easily able to help with newsletters

creating the content as in?

well that can be done with a simple server in AWS or any simple server instance... can't it?

more of a mailmerge thing...

oh....

me neither, heard of it just a couple of weeks ago, when the topic was discussed

don't remember if in labs or in internal chats

?

apart from phplist?

also some preparations for gsoc need to be done and discussed

any hints? :)

if OC will be chosen this year

you are in for a lot here

maybe, but i'm not afraid of such tasks, step by step and so on

agile we have to be... let's have some kanban charts up XD

at least d2

:) Let's leave that little guy

yep, was blaming me for bad project and missing unit tests and giving bad image to apertus, cause i'm rude

where did that come from? that is well.... rude

if he wants agile, then he should pay me, but according to my diploma

i hope that TofuLynx had time to check his downscaler lately, found some logical errors in my hints

you can forget about agile stuff in big companies, as management does not want to invet money into that, especially when the code is very old and a lot of money was already invested

to be honest BAndiT1983, I really suppose Tofulynx should start all over on it again... (it's a small program) and really isn't much on it other than correct array indexing... it's stretched long enough.

his code is ok, was using it on saturday when doing tests, it's just some offset, but cannot pinpoint it currently

colors are correct and so on, just the last line is black

supragya, we cannot afford to rework everything and live the agile way, not enough people to maintain all the stuff

remember c++ challenge code, this could be used ;)

he just needs to build with occore and debayer and save as png

he can also add it to ProcessingTest, just the small code to the downscaler

save to PNG in processingtest, BAndiT1983 ?

hm, we should really add a feature to output channel data at each level in the pipeline

very good idea

or make something completely new (maybe based on LOG_INFO thingy)

maybe a lab task then?

also a very good idea

will begin work on this and FrameServer

have created one, up for grabs -> https://lab.apertus.org/T989

Seems like many things are "Needs Triage"

are they really necessary

mostly there are excuses, like missing docs, unit tests etc. etc. etc.

OC tasks need another review round, like it was done previously a couple of times, then unnecesary ones removed

finally closed after I asked se6astian !

that's also a thing with too few contributors, Lab needs also maintenance time

I was to discuss with you since you are on web end too

you mean with console commands?

let me look out for an example..

look at the axiom beta manual

did it work?

https://wiki.apertus.org/index.php/Sandbox

oh.... it is working finally

in train?

yep, on the way home again, was just visiting hamburg over easter holidays

you travel so much. I envy you

anyhow, can you tell me about the april fools this year? What is AXIOM gonna do this time? AXEOHM or sold to japanese game company?

btw. april fools was yesterday

bus is even crazier than train

more like horseriding... (bus)

14h?

yep, from frankfurt airport, yes, airport, there is also bus station, to costa del maresme in spain

well I learned of xkcd from logs a few days back

just like "whitespace", we have "brainf*#@k"

off for a nap ... bbl

I really don't understand why people have "this language does all" attitude BAndiT1983

hm, difficult to tell, bot sometimes it's just human nature to be used to something and don't want to get out of safety bubble or something like that

but the language should be not important, the technique is much more interesting, as it's portable

sometimes you really cannot teach old dog new tricks

ha, seen enough developer art, maintenance hell par excellence mostly

3 defines in c++, one pointing to another and so on, also code generation through defines and so on

headers in headers in header in headers...

software development cannot be done in democratic way, someone has to coordinate, but this one should know something about technology and not just buzzwords and meaningless phrases

minimal codebase... no doc and over abstraction

anyhow... everyone's perspective is different and I respect that... but sometimes it is hard to resist the temptation to shed of some steam

same thing you will find in big companies and their products, the code is partially many years old, e.g. my oldest finding was from end of 8ies

documentation is sparse, people left probably many years ago, so you need to debug a lot to find what the code does, but sometimes you are allowed to rework it, this happens very seldom

and agile stuff is done mainly in scrum meetings, forget about unit testing there

so much interaction

does your company have agile approach BAndiT1983 ?

this whole stories about scrum, kanban etc. are nice, but just few companies do live them

can you PM me one please?

supragya, you can try to google them, there were some lists

not really fairy tales, but i'Ve met a lot of managers, they just don't want to shed out money for such things

as you say BAndiT1983... just wanted to know how you got SO PISSED... that email did have something

nope, seems older, but not wiser, probably needs real life

even if i'm not living agile and creating a lot of docs, i'm still doing the same stuff as here in my company, e.g. helping with infrastructure, teaching and helping colleagues etc., so that's why i don't care about such people and try to help the team, i'm currently working with

pffff, my over 25 years of experience are telling me that different story ;)

*older than you

it's hard to offer some improvements, as the stubborn ones are very sceptical, so i have to prove it in some practical way and present a prototype

it's like with pack of animals, you have to earn respect and trust

Still if you help too much... you end up being taken for granted

Sometimes you have to go with the flow... you only have sometimes where you can break the protocol

if one sees the opportunity to improve some area, then it should be done, after discussions of course

do you know the broken window theory?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory

not a fan of VM myself BAndiT1983

?

it's ok here, cann develop OC or other stuff

we get assignments that are just not possible that way on VM

for example?

they require Intel-VT support

VM in VM in VM, sound like inception (never seen it, but internet is full of it)

and we don't have ginormous amount of memory too

Dual boot is actually pretty good :)

have still 8gb, waiting for prices to drop a bit to get another 8gb, so VMs are not the problem

not really, virtualbox can run several in parallel here

you on alienware?

nope, just lenovo yoga 720

yoga? that 360 degree thingy? touch?

nice and portable.... my laptop drains battery in less than an hour

had such a laptop before, but now i don't have to worry, as this one is going for hours, not even reducing display brightness here

yep, .m2 SSD

how about macs?

frankly, I too...

like uninstall.. install distributions... partition... clean ... brick anytime i want

however mac air... is real air

what is the rationale?

supragya, you have to ask MS or apple, why the keyboard was locked, could not type anything, after VBA compiler error popup came

hmm... never wrote a VBA till now...

that's for some excel macro and all... am I wrong?

VBA is used for office suite in general, so word, excel etc.

trying to control word or exel from C# was also not much fun and mostly trial and error some years ago

jenkins for example

it depends on the software, cmake is really good for portable building

visual studio is rather stable and full of features, like to work with it, but lately i'm using visual studio code for nodejs stuff etc.

but VS is the only requirement on windows

for GSoC?

no, you 've asked that before ;)

[no, you 've asked that before] <- seems I have alzhimer now ;)

you were in college in 2012?

so, mentoring?

first real contact was last year

or some tricks there too?

it's like a grid, 2d or 3d, where the stuff spreads out, according to some parameters

that's a mouthful... navier stokes incompressible liquid algorithm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navier–Stokes_equations

can't remember so many tunnels on this railway path, so it's taking a bit longer to load

quite a bit of calculus you got me tangled into ;)

to be honest, i'm also not that deep in that topic

have to complete project and that hadoop thing is really getting in my nerves

seems like it could use some parallel processing that way

but cannot do everything for the project

hope that you or TofuLynx would contribute some stuff

should I author one?

link me please

sharing internet with whole train, it's by times really like dialup here :)

we have discussed it before, that one could use OpenCL or CUDA or shaders or ArrayFire or, or, or...

really does not capture the essence

first we need some algorithms, before we can optimize and accelerate ;)

bilinear is there, also downscaler is almost ready

so why not... good starting point.

T722 can be split into -> create debayer methods, accelerate already existing

*you

this discussion will be done soon, when we classify proposals and so on

don't want to change it at the moment, after we got proposals which are using this task as base

don't remember the list at the moment

in proposals

*fingers crossed* OM!

TofuLynx, there you go: https://lab.apertus.org/T989

I have already subscribed to it :P

we can just evaluate which proposals are okay for us and also how many students we can handle, afterwards google has to give its okay

ah, TofuLynx is also here, how is it going? have you tested downscaler stuff?

mentors and other apertus people

yes, more or less finished it

my proof of enrollment was approved today. was getting kinda worried about it

What do you mean raj?

org selects proposals to sit on those slots

all done.. why would google object after that

I will be glad to have some laughs Andrej xD

supragya, what do you want to know?

and if you need to tell... tell it now.. why couple days

xD

just how one gets raised up :) it's hard to get rid of

ok, see you

I have a funny story to share BAndiT1983, TofuLynx

please do tell :p

vellore and chennai are 100 km apart

so... we were 9 people and were a group... 4 of them were penny wise

will read the logs, have to leave the train in a couple of minutes

we said sure... they got onto bus to chennai... they were not able to catch it... so took one for Kanchipuram... in hope to catch a connecting bus from there

XD

it happens xD

or just bad luck xD

TofuLynx, nah....

gotta switch to windows now...

back ...

And much better for someone to write in that

so 2 tasks were created

supragya, no decision was yet made for the newsletter tool, as it was just an idea

phabricator doesnt provide any method to delete a task

off to bed now

night

off for today as well, see you