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2021/01/02

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Bertl_oO
off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
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xthenode
happy 2021!
15:55
xthenode
what is the process for creating a new software project?
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Bertl_zZ
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Bertl
morning folks!
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Bertl
xthenode: create or fork a git repository
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Bertl
then write your code, check it and commit it
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xthenode
under my own id?
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Bertl
yes, you can then create a pull request
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xthenode
ok, throwing up concept in "ideas" on apertus git
16:09
xthenode
is there am image or vsg for apertus logo?
16:10
Bertl
yes, there are a bunch of versions of our logos, sec
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BAndiT1983
https://www.apertus.org/logo
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Bertl
there you go :)
16:10
vup
also here: https://github.com/apertus-open-source-cinema/apertus_multimedia
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xthenode
added "a cloud based environment for using and creating artifacts for A X I O M" as idea...
16:31
se6ast1an
interesting, can you elaborate what that is exactly?
16:31
xthenode
so what is apertus vs axiom?
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BAndiT1983
association vs camera?
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xthenode
a complete cloud based dev env which im accually using...
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BAndiT1983
is it something like SAP web IDE, where you can't work when the internet or the cloud is down?
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xthenode
no its all html, css, js and cgis that can be run locally on your favorite httpd...
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xthenode
it can even be run on axiom...
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BAndiT1983
ok, but then the "cloud" is not applicable there
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Bertl
xthenode: what does it 'develop'?
16:35
xthenode
actually yes. your or web cloud. HTTP...
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xthenode
i use it to generate projects, code and content...
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xthenode
it started off as an open Class Wizard...
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Bertl
no idea what that is ... got some examples? screenshots?
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xthenode
VisualStudio class wizard...
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xthenode
back in the day...
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Bertl
still no idea ... never used VisualStudio
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xthenode
they are now projects templates in VS...
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xthenode
clearcase class generation?
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xthenode
UML to C++...
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Bertl
sounds fancy, still no idea ...
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xthenode
what do you normally use for dev?
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Bertl
an editor, like vi (or vim)
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Bertl
a compiler, e.g. gcc or clang
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xthenode
dude! you rock!
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Bertl
a bunch of tools which help with testing like gdb
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Bertl
at least for C code development
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Bertl
for scripts I use bash and python (again via vim)
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Bertl
for HDL development I currently need to use vendor toolchains
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Bertl
but that slowly changes thanks to open source toolchain development
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xthenode
i use this to generate files to be used in those...
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xthenode
i use QtCreator, VisualStudio and gedit make...
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BAndiT1983
vs class wizard was rathe bulky back in the day, not missing it much, but haven't used newer versions since 2015, as vscode is the main IDE now
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Bertl
xthenode: so what files does it create?
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xthenode
1017 generates classes for projects...
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Bertl
okay?
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xthenode
makefiles, .pro / .pro...
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Bertl
makefiles based on what? and what is .pro ?
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BAndiT1983
why do you need .pro? it's qtcreator specific, so cmakelists should be sufficient
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xthenode
.pro if for creator
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BAndiT1983
as qtcreator can use it natively, so can clion and vscode
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xthenode
i've used it to create cmake file trees...
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BAndiT1983
still using it, as i've resurrected OC a bit
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xthenode
the idea is to be able to map to various dev tool flows...
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BAndiT1983
what are "dev tool flows"?
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xthenode
work flow using a a particular tool like VS...
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xthenode
i use it to create property sheets when using VS
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BAndiT1983
usual workflow is to open a folder with cmakelists.txt in it, works in vscode, qtcreator, clion etc.
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BAndiT1983
haven't used "big" VS for quite a while, but it is also got the possibility to open CMake projects a couple of years ago
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xthenode
developers at Thales used it as a convenience tool...
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Bertl
xthenode: so in short, this is some kind of tool or framework to make VisualStudio development easier, right?
17:01
xthenode
yes.
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BAndiT1983
xthenode: many companies use convenience tools which are mere obstacle, like HP quality center, so still not seeing a problem to use CMake or another build tool
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xthenode
its built on itself and will include various project trees...
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BAndiT1983
in the end they are created for such a task: to create make files
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Bertl
xthenode: so, as far as I know, we do not use VisualStudio on the AXIOM
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Bertl
and as the Software is proprietary, I doubt that will change anytime soon ...
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BAndiT1983
"big" VS has a remote feature to build on a linux machine, e.g. raspi, or in the WSL environment, but then i can also use a linux machine to do cross-compiling
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BAndiT1983
yes, it's possible to cross-compile under windows, but a lot of problems is involved, like installing and setting up mingw etc.
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xthenode
project artifacts are open...
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BAndiT1983
what are project artifacts?
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xthenode
.sln etc
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BAndiT1983
.sln is VS-specific
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BAndiT1983
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/395169/using-cmake-to-generate-visual-studio-c-project-files
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xthenode
CMMI definition of parts of a project...
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BAndiT1983
used it back then, but it's more problematic to focus on specific requirements of the IDE, as each one is different, so cmake is my favourite, although there are also other tools which can accomplish the job and are wrapping the setup needs
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Bertl
in general we want to get rid of proprietary software wherever possible and not introduce new proprietary software into AXIOM related development
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xthenode
yes
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Bertl
so I'm not sure why we are discussing VisualStudio stuff here?
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xthenode
only as example of dev env
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BAndiT1983
VS would still involve WSL, which is the linux environment under win10
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xthenode
are open and freedom the same?
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BAndiT1983
it depends, but every project needs boundaries, otherwise it will turn into the tower of babylon
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xthenode
per project. yes.
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xthenode
linux is nice because it provides a vast array of choices to the developer...
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xthenode
even big Microsoft is starting to embrace what was once considered treason...
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Bertl
well, that's good for Microsoft :)
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xthenode
and the world...
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BAndiT1983
not that new, ms uses linux for server for years if not decades, they've just noticed that they can't avoid linux environment for users too long
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BAndiT1983
so they started to open .NET and other tech, so Mono got a proper move forward
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xthenode
is apertus only interested in focusing on photo?
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BAndiT1983
never knew that we do a photo camera
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xthenode
what about audio?
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xthenode
not as part of video...
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xthenode
since apertus means clear, why not high end audio?
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BAndiT1983
apertus comes from aperture, don't know how to apply it to audio
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BAndiT1983
https://www.apertus.org/about
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xthenode
clear in latin...
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Bertl
in professional (movie) production audio is handled by separate devices
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Bertl
we might at some point tackle that as well, but currently the focus is on the video side
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Bertl
off for now ... bbl
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Bertl
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BAndiT1983
https://lab.apertus.org/T761
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BAndiT1983
https://lab.apertus.org/T361
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xthenode
i have a history in film, video and high end audio...
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xthenode
would be a great branding for purist high end audio...
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EmilJ
Hi all
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EmilJ
I wish everybody a better year
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EmilJ
I barely did anything over the holidays, I'll blame it on the lack of light and abundance of distractions. I did however watch a bunch of rc3 talks
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xthenode
is there an axiom logo like the apertus one?
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xthenode
.png
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EmilJ
se6ast1an: I liked the following talks: what not to do with IOMMU, thunderbolt 3 security, nintendo game & watch console hack, power side channels "warum leakt hier Strom"
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BAndiT1983
xthenode: it's everything in the github repo -> https://github.com/apertus-open-source-cinema/apertus_multimedia/tree/master/apertus%C2%B0%20Corporate%20Identity/AXIOM%20Logo
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EmilJ
it was also cool to see these talks but they are not too practical as they are either too slow or specific: fuzzing the iphone baseband and bluetooth, qualcomm hexagon baseband commands, rapberry pi RGMII RF emission airgap exfiltration
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BAndiT1983
nah, the joke about "Strom" is too easy
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se6ast1an
thanks EmilJ!
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xthenode
BAndiT1983: thanks. i was looking...
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EmilJ
I didn't get the joke, I assume it's a big cultural reference
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xthenode
oh. i worked on RED too...
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xthenode
and for DOL...
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xthenode
but, the cool one was the NASA MPP used for SAR...
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xthenode
...microcode on a bit-serial massively parallel SIMD machine...
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xthenode
EmilJ: isn't code the ultimate distraction?
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EmilJ
I do want to *make* code my ultimate distraction, but as long as I have things to learn about what I'm programming, it's easy to get stuck, since learning is hard
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