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| 10:06 | Bertl | back now ...
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| 10:56 | antiatom | I am a Canon 5D Mark III user, and normally I would be looking to upgrade to the Mark IV coming out soon, but I found your project
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| 10:57 | antiatom | I would much rather support apertus building a modular camera system running FLOSS
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| 10:57 | antiatom | I use Magic Lantern on my Mark III, but I hate that I must run Canon's non-libre firmware underneath.
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| 10:57 | antiatom | I do low-light videography, so an Axiom Gamma with a full-frame sensor interests me greatly
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| 10:58 | antiatom | Normally I want to donate to the cause with Bitcoin, but I would love to know first what software is remaining closed
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| 10:58 | antiatom | Surely the NRE costs should be recouped and the work of apertus employees should be compensated with some amount of profit...
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| 10:59 | antiatom | ...but I want to feel like my donation is going to make a camera system (actually obviously a specialised computer these days) that is running 100% Libre Software
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| 11:53 | Bertl | hey antiatom!
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| 11:53 | Bertl | the only closed software are the tools required to build the FPGA bitstreams
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| 11:53 | Bertl | but the camera is running Linux (Arch) and not using any proprietary software
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| 11:54 | Bertl | both hardware and software are all open source and all designs are available, including mechanical designs, schematics, gerbers, etc
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| 15:09 | troy_s | Oh god. MN retired from FFMPEG.
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| 15:14 | Bertl | in Austria, we like to work on bleeding edge technologies :)
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| 15:16 | intracube | hi troy_s, Bertl
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| 15:16 | intracube | troy_s: is that good or bad?
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| 15:17 | Bertl | https://ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2015-July/176489.html
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| 15:17 | troy_s | Greets
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| 15:17 | troy_s | intracube: So bad.
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| 15:17 | troy_s | Godawfully bad. More great work by the LibAv idiots.
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| 15:17 | troy_s | Complete wankers.
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| 15:18 | intracube | Bertl: thanks
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| 15:18 | troy_s | If someone were smart at the large companies, they would pool and pay him to stay on.
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| 15:18 | troy_s | I am quite certain that no one understands the implications.
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| 15:19 | troy_s | FFMPEG is a _huge_ infrastructure across so many domains.
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| 15:19 | troy_s | It is rumoured to power some of the mightiest content distribution systems.
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| 15:20 | intracube | istr similar concerns about Firefox not too long ago - relatively few people know the codebase well.
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| 15:21 | troy_s | Every single idiot that had a role in LibAv and the distribution based idiocracy that supported it should be damn well ashamed of themselves.
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| 15:21 | troy_s | Typical Libre / Open Source dumbfuckery.
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| 15:21 | troy_s | Infuriating assclowns.
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| 15:21 | Bertl | that would never happen in a company ;-)
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| 15:23 | troy_s | It wouldn't.
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| 15:23 | intracube | troy_s: is there any concise article about the issues with ffmpeg/libav?
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| 15:24 | troy_s | Because in a company there is more often than not succession plans, as well as a distinct lack of the ability to fork.
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| 15:24 | Bertl | intracube: http://blog.pkh.me/p/13-the-ffmpeg-libav-situation.html
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| 15:25 | intracube | thanks
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| 15:25 | troy_s | intracube: The summation points is that there was a political coup; a small group banded together and forked. They also had Debian's distribution maintainer in their ranks. This is the most critically overlooked part.
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| 15:25 | Bertl | intracube: note that this is very subjective
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| 15:25 | troy_s | So the power dynamic was that they were able to force that crapfork down everyone's throat
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| 15:26 | troy_s | In real terms, LibAv committed fewer patches and left glaring security holes unchecked, while MN carried on and fixed them as well as grew the code base _and_ took the piddly patches from LibAv and integrated them back.
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| 15:27 | troy_s | There is nothing subjective about it, the LibAv drama ruptured the goddamn ranks and the clowns that did it did so with slimy techniques to legitimate their crap
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| 15:28 | troy_s | There is no one to fill the void MN has left. No one.
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| 15:35 | intracube | I remember that "THIS PROGRAM IS DEPRECATED" message when I used libav on ubuntu a year or two back
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| 15:43 | intracube | gave me a laugh :)
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| 15:44 | troy_s | People _really_ have no idea of the implications.
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| 15:45 | troy_s | This project will see rather major repercussions as well.
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| 15:56 | troy_s | intracube: Shocked how little coverage this has gotten so far. BBC, YouTube, Netflix, and gods know how many post houses, apps, on and on and on.
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| 15:56 | troy_s | MN was a coding monster for FFMPEG.
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| 16:02 | intracube | hopefully he can be encouraged back in a purely dev role
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| 16:02 | intracube | instead of project leader
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| 16:21 | troy_s | intracube: Check the commit logs; he was a monster. Not to mention that after all these years FFMPEG finally got the color decoding values right.
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