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2015/08/01

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intracube
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Bertl_oO
off for a nap .. bbl
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Bertl_oO
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Bertl_zZ
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Bertl
back now ...
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fsteinel_
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antiatom
I am a Canon 5D Mark III user, and normally I would be looking to upgrade to the Mark IV coming out soon, but I found your project
11:57
antiatom
I would much rather support apertus building a modular camera system running FLOSS
11:57
antiatom
I use Magic Lantern on my Mark III, but I hate that I must run Canon's non-libre firmware underneath.
11:57
antiatom
I do low-light videography, so an Axiom Gamma with a full-frame sensor interests me greatly
11:58
antiatom
Normally I want to donate to the cause with Bitcoin, but I would love to know first what software is remaining closed
11:58
antiatom
Surely the NRE costs should be recouped and the work of apertus employees should be compensated with some amount of profit...
11:59
antiatom
...but I want to feel like my donation is going to make a camera system (actually obviously a specialised computer these days) that is running 100% Libre Software
12:53
Bertl
hey antiatom!
12:53
Bertl
the only closed software are the tools required to build the FPGA bitstreams
12:53
Bertl
but the camera is running Linux (Arch) and not using any proprietary software
12:54
Bertl
both hardware and software are all open source and all designs are available, including mechanical designs, schematics, gerbers, etc
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troy_s
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troy_s
Oh god. MN retired from FFMPEG.
16:14
Bertl
in Austria, we like to work on bleeding edge technologies :)
16:16
intracube
hi troy_s, Bertl
16:16
intracube
troy_s: is that good or bad?
16:17
Bertl
https://ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2015-July/176489.html
16:17
troy_s
Greets
16:17
troy_s
intracube: So bad.
16:17
troy_s
Godawfully bad. More great work by the LibAv idiots.
16:17
troy_s
Complete wankers.
16:18
intracube
Bertl: thanks
16:18
troy_s
If someone were smart at the large companies, they would pool and pay him to stay on.
16:18
troy_s
I am quite certain that no one understands the implications.
16:19
troy_s
FFMPEG is a _huge_ infrastructure across so many domains.
16:19
troy_s
It is rumoured to power some of the mightiest content distribution systems.
16:20
intracube
istr similar concerns about Firefox not too long ago - relatively few people know the codebase well.
16:21
troy_s
Every single idiot that had a role in LibAv and the distribution based idiocracy that supported it should be damn well ashamed of themselves.
16:21
troy_s
Typical Libre / Open Source dumbfuckery.
16:21
troy_s
Infuriating assclowns.
16:21
Bertl
that would never happen in a company ;-)
16:23
troy_s
It wouldn't.
16:23
intracube
troy_s: is there any concise article about the issues with ffmpeg/libav?
16:24
troy_s
Because in a company there is more often than not succession plans, as well as a distinct lack of the ability to fork.
16:24
Bertl
intracube: http://blog.pkh.me/p/13-the-ffmpeg-libav-situation.html
16:25
intracube
thanks
16:25
troy_s
intracube: The summation points is that there was a political coup; a small group banded together and forked. They also had Debian's distribution maintainer in their ranks. This is the most critically overlooked part.
16:25
Bertl
intracube: note that this is very subjective
16:25
troy_s
So the power dynamic was that they were able to force that crapfork down everyone's throat
16:26
troy_s
In real terms, LibAv committed fewer patches and left glaring security holes unchecked, while MN carried on and fixed them as well as grew the code base _and_ took the piddly patches from LibAv and integrated them back.
16:27
troy_s
There is nothing subjective about it, the LibAv drama ruptured the goddamn ranks and the clowns that did it did so with slimy techniques to legitimate their crap
16:28
troy_s
There is no one to fill the void MN has left. No one.
16:35
intracube
I remember that "THIS PROGRAM IS DEPRECATED" message when I used libav on ubuntu a year or two back
16:43
intracube
gave me a laugh :)
16:44
troy_s
People _really_ have no idea of the implications.
16:45
troy_s
This project will see rather major repercussions as well.
16:56
troy_s
intracube: Shocked how little coverage this has gotten so far. BBC, YouTube, Netflix, and gods know how many post houses, apps, on and on and on.
16:56
troy_s
MN was a coding monster for FFMPEG.
17:02
intracube
hopefully he can be encouraged back in a purely dev role
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intracube
instead of project leader
17:21
troy_s
intracube: Check the commit logs; he was a monster. Not to mention that after all these years FFMPEG finally got the color decoding values right.
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Bertl
off for a nap ... bbl
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Bertl
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