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2020/05/01

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metal_dent[m]
Good morning!
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Bertl_oO
morning metal_dent[m]!
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Bertl_oO
off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
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se6ast1an
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Bertl_zZ
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Bertl
morning folks!
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se6ast1an
good day
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vup
Bertl: on the micro r3 we will have two usb ports
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vup
any recommendations on how to connect their vbus together?
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vup
is there a better solution than just using two schottky diodes?
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Bertl
vbus in or out and what is the purpose of the ports?
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vup
vbus in
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vup
they are used as the power source
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vup
(and for data output)
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Bertl
so the idea is to feed power from both sources?
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vup
kind of
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Bertl
any specific reason for that?
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vup
switching between one of them would be enough
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vup
well if we have two usb ports it would be nice, if either could be used for powering the camera
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Bertl
how much power are we talking about?
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vup
3A @ 5V
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Bertl
you are negotiating that with the USB port? :)
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vup
no :)
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14:13
vup
but usb type c allows hosts to provide up to 3A without negotiation
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14:13
Bertl
well, you could use P channel mosfets instead of shottky diodes
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vup
does that actually help? the ones i found has a Rds(on) of ~50mΩ, which is still a 150mV voltage drop at 3A
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Bertl
a quick check @ mouser gives starting at 1.5mOhm
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Bertl
how much PCB space do you have available?
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vup
unclear
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vup
but shouldn't be too tight currently
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Bertl
https://www.mouser.at/datasheet/2/115/DMP1005UFDF-1142690.pdf
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vup
would you use a ideal diode controller with that or build one discretely?
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Bertl
neither, just connect the gate to GND use the source on the input and the drain as output
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Bertl
if you want to make the inputs selectable, add a dual NPN stage as low voltage 'enables'
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vup
wait I thought mosfet's provide no inherent reverse current protection?
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vup
if I just connect the gate to GND and connect both usb ports, won't one feed the other?
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Bertl
drain to source happens via the body diode, which has a forward voltage of 0.8V
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Bertl
assuming that the 5V supplies are within the spec this should prevent any reverse current
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Bertl
but if you want to play it safe, you can add a controller or discrete circuitry as well
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vup
ah right as long as both supplies are 5V is should work
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vup
I think thats a safe assumption
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Bertl
5V +/- 0.7 or so
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Bertl
well, let's say |V1-V2| < 0.7 :)
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vup
yeah
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Bertl
but you can use a comparator (or dual comparator) to shut off any of the two mosfets
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Bertl
off for now ... bbl
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Bertl
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vup
Bertl_oO: Hmm I am still not convinced what you propose will actually work. To reiterate, I have two usb ports and want to prevent current from going into the usb port.
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vup
You propose connecting a p channel mosfet with gate tied to GND, source connected to vbus and drain connected to the shared 5V net to each of the two vbus's.
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vup
Now suppose both ports are connected and port 1 has a voltage of 4.9V and port 2 a voltage of 5V.
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vup
Both mosfets will be on (as Vgs will be > Vth), I would think current would flow from port 2 to the shared 5V net. And now because the mosfet of port 1 will also be on, won't the current flow through that mosfet aswell?
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se6ast1an
off to bed
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se6ast1an
good night
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Bertl_oO
vup: yeah, you're right ... doesn't work without additional active circuitry
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Bertl_oO
some kind of comparator which turns off the mosfet when the output voltage is above the input level
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vup
ok makes sense
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Bertl_oO
it works quite fine as reverse polarity protection because the gate is at a higher level in this case
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Bertl_oO
but it doesn't help with competing inputs
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vup
yeah
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vup
i got confused by that at first aswell
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vup
well the FPF1048 seems like a neat solution
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Bertl_oO
indeed